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Nonprofit Commons Discussion on “Anonymity, Psuedonyms and Online Spaces: how important?”

August 12, 8:30am PST

At Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Plush%20Nonprofit%20Commons/88/126/26

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): well that is a good transition toward the topic of the day… Identity, anonymity, pseudonyms and online spaces

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I’m sure there are lots of opinions and ideas about it, so I thought we should spend some time sharing out

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): First off, did folks gt a chance to read up on those links I sent out over the email list? I’ll repaste here for the chat log…

• http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/07/google-profiles-pseudonym-avatar-names-suspension-policy.html
• http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html
• http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/12/second-lifes-new-naming-policy.html

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): also there was just an update on Google Plus…

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): they are not automatically suspending accounts for being “fake”. they now send you a warning which you have to “fix” your account before they turn it off

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Small comfort to those who use pseudonyms

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): And finally, South Korea just announced that they are requiring all citizens to use their real name and ID in all of their online interactions

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so , yeah, these are interesting times

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): First off, what do folks think about how Second Life has changed, and the possible desire of LL to link your SL account to your FB account for example? Do you want your RL identity tied to your SL avatar? or kept separate?

 

TammySM: Well i guess i came to terms long ago you just have to be out there

Widget Whiteberry: I have an avatar account on FB. I’m happy to be linked to that.

Francesca Barnes: As a person with two FB accounts, I am annoyed by not getting to choose which one things link to

Widget Whiteberry: I used my slwidget gmail acct for both

kathee Gibbs: want it kept seperate

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Widget, that is separate from the RL identity?

Arielion Clawtooth: Facebook is doing away with avatar accounts also.

Calliope Novaland: yes, I do too Widget

Widget Whiteberry: yes Rik

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I do NOT want to be forced to link my SL account to any external social network, account, website, period.

bulaklak: I think it’s good that they add it as an option. As long as it’s optional, then folks can choose if they link it or not.

Calliope Novaland: @ Rik, mine too

Zinnia Zauber: Make your Facebook Page for your avatar

Arielion Clawtooth: THey are saying they will take away any account not linked to a real life name.

Buffy Beale: good point iSkye

Widget Whiteberry: how do I verify that SL links to the correct FB account?

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): OPTIONAL is fine. Force is NOT.

Michele Mrigesh: The choice to link to RL or to NOT link should be up to the individual

Michele Mrigesh: …what iSkye said

bulaklak: And as long as it’s opt IN rather than opt OUT, then I think it’s good.

TammySM: yes i do agree there

Ozma Malibu: Here in the NPC though the two are already linked because we introduce ourselves. It took me awhile to come to terms. There’s the issue of stalkers. I hesitated because for some of us (say) there is a Vietnam-era bipolar ex to whom one was married for 17 years and who just became worse not better although one could still hope that will change.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): are there any advantages to having people’s avatars linked to their RL identities?

bulaklak: I can’t stand opt OUT practices

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I agree with Michele, there are serious concerns with privacy here.

Ozma Malibu: Serious issues yes.

Hour Destiny: Speaking as one who is an “ethnical hacker”, I see all kinds of risks. Identity theft, social engineering, etc.

Arielion Clawtooth: I think this trend in both FB and SL is for sales. There are legality issues with selling things to avatar names. They want real names to target us for marketing.

Sarvana Haalan: Professionally, my SL id and RL Identity are linked…. literally… one side of my business card is mine ; the other side is “SarVana’s and her in-world info

 

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I was outraged when I saw how my SL friends were losing their FB and Google accounts, when so many of us have pseudonyms for very good reasons.

 

Ozma Malibu: I do the same now Sarvana but still want these things to be my decision.

Buffy Beale: yes Oz I’ve heard of a number of stalker cases in SL so it’s important to have the choice

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): As Glitteractica mentioned , we have always asked people to share their RL name at our meetings here, if they are comfortable doing so

Gentle Heron: How many professional people in SL have a professional (public) avatar and a private just-for-play avatar, do you think?

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): In some ways, I think it is to build trust among people

Arielion Clawtooth: It’s all about marketing these days and your security is secondary. Look at credit cards. They risk your personally identifying information, tell you you’re responsible for keeping it safe, then SELL you protection? Can you say conflict of interest? :o)

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Arielion: That’s true, FB and Google have their policies purely for profitmaking purposes. I can’t see how that justifies bulldozing us into giving up our privacy.

Widget Whiteberry: Rik: what you don’t do is tell people in advance that this is the practice here

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): And also before we are representing organizations as staff or volunteers in the RW

Buffy Beale: And what’s to say a name that looks real is a real name anyways

Arielion Clawtooth: @Iskye I’m not justifying, “just sayin‘” :o) It upsets me.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): we alwasy try and say that is “opt-in” practice, up to the person to decide

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and no judgment either way

bulaklak: Agree, Buffy. One can have layers of pseudonyms.

Sarvana Haalan: SarVana has a “twin” that serves as the “quality control” inspector and to explore to avoid conflicts of interest

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): but as a professional networking community , it helps

Calliope Novaland: I think as long as your ethics are good, it is healthy to have a non-work identity

Buffy Beale: just put a fake photo of a real person, how would they know you’re not that person?

Glitteractica Cookie: This will remain a professional networking community

Hour Destiny: What justification(s) have the Lindens given?

Sarvana Haalan: I hope that everyone is using th e”honor” system and are being up right…

Sarvana Haalan: But I am also a bit of a “Pollyanna” :-0

Arielion Clawtooth: In China the concerns aren’t marketing but free speech. They want to control what is said and it’s hard to punish an avatar. :o) Benjamin Franklin knew this when he wrote caustic attacks under a “pen” name.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I presume Rod will address some of this in his keynote tomorrow

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so another good reason to attend SLCC, virtually or physically

Buffy Beale: that’s a good point Calliope

Sarvana Haalan: So sorry that I can not attend in person burt will be attending via SL. Wooot, woot!!

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I’ll talk briefly about identities and avatars in my keynote tomorrow AM too

Sarvana Haalan: *but

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Arieltion – I was agreeing with you *smile*

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): So who are examples of people who are most adversely affected by RL identity requirements?

Sarvana Haalan: May I add something?

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): one sec sarvana

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): then I’ll give you the floor

Hour Destiny: Human rights activists in China or similar places?

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): activists in represssive govts, right. who else?

Widget Whiteberry: lists many examples http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): @Rik: People who need to remain connected to important contacts while avoiding stalkers; abuse survivors….

Widget Whiteberry: she does – I haven’t

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks, widget

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): OH yes! Widget’s link is very good

Hour Destiny: Current or protential victims of hate crimes, stalking, harassment, etc.

Sarvana Haalan: clients that may be HIV+ and have not disclosed

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): what are some that dana mentions that are important

Francesca Barnes: Govt employees

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): (remember, this is for the archive as well as people here)

Arielion Clawtooth: Any persons working in any security arena (politics, government, research) would be at risk

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): whistleblowers!

LisaSchaefer Ruby: A lot of people use the pseudonominous anonimity to harass

Widget Whiteberry: People can have many reasons related to personal or family safety or free speech or activism

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I see reps from the transgender veterans here

Arielion Clawtooth: One person said she had emotional and psychological issues about being identified by family members

Widget Whiteberry: or a requirement to keep their personal lives separate from their private lives

Sarvana Haalan: lol, politicals and bankers looking to pol others on various issues 🙂

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): a transgender person might want to remain anonymous

Widget Whiteberry: or privacy from family members

Hour Destiny: C-level executives. They would have much less privacy and be easier to target.

LisaSchaefer Ruby: lol, govt employees use psuedonyms so people don’t know that they’re playing sl at work

Jen (jenelle.levenque): Many in the TG community operate “Stealth”

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Lisa is identifying some of the negatives, which we can get to in a minute

Arielion Clawtooth: @Lisa PLAYING?! Are you saying SL is a GAME? (Looking for tomatoes)… :o)

Glitteractica Cookie: PLAYING SL? We don’t consider it playing

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): (some do of course)

Sarvana Haalan: I have a high level exe friend when uses SL to just chillin… a “menta

Sarvana Haalan: *mental

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): those are all great examples

Glitteractica Cookie: this is not unlike any other online community, for professional networking

Calliope Novaland: I think Lisa is on to somthing.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): first up, Sarvana had something she wanted to say

Arielion Clawtooth: (Touchy much?) ;0)

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Sarvana?

Sarvana Haalan: Oh… almost forgot…

LisaSchaefer Ruby: I have used a pseudonym to experiment with how I’m treated differently when I’m female, male, and unknown

 

bulaklak: When I worked at the International Museum of Women, we encouraged fully fleshed out profiles on our forums, yet we also understood and allowed for anonymity and pseudonymity. It was important for women to be able to speak out about violence or repression without fear of retaliation.

 

Jen (jenelle.levenque): absolutely

Glitteractica Cookie: It is important that peole who are representing the nonprofits that they work at are on the up and up and that we have the blessing of the org to participate, otherwise we are defeating teh purpose of this community, frankly

[Widget Whiteberry: so we could add ‘research’ to motivations for pseudonymity

Sarvana Haalan: I have found that linking SL and RL enabled more networking in RL especially when you want to share information about issues, programs or funding opps

Glitteractica Cookie: Yes Sarvana, we hpoe that is the experience of all our members

Widget Whiteberry: seems there are very good reasons to link and not link identities

 

Jen (jenelle.levenque): I use my SL name as my RL female name

 

LisaSchaefer Ruby: has anyone performed any formal research on the role gender plays in an anonymous world?

Jen (jenelle.levenque): It is now listed on the TAVA website

Sarvana Haalan: I am connected to several in-world colleagues in Facebook, Twitter, and Google+

Francesca Barnes: Another aspect of research, for me, is that I want people who are unfamiliar and nervous about online communities to try it out. They need privacy to fulfill our Human Subjects Protection commitments.

Arielion Clawtooth: And we’re not even dealing with the issue of avatar association. A lot of people have a connection to their avatars, a sort of “wall of illusion” that is broken when forced to be the “real self” again. (Those with challenges who can be anything and anyone in SL forced to be the RL self, etc.)

Glitteractica Cookie: Yes Lisa, there are loads of articles on that

Ozma Malibu: Good point Arielion

bulaklak: Lisa, Rik and I saw a gentleman speak about that this year

bulaklak: I dont‘ recall his name

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): With so many ways people can be attacked online, their real identities stolen, reputations harmed, it’s safer to have a pseudonym and to have the OPTION to volunteer certain information instead of being told, “We are this hugely popular social network and we want to make megabucks off your personal info. Surrender it or the virtual door gets slammed in your face!”

bulaklak: He is an anthropologist

Glitteractica Cookie: in fact the NPC was featured in the New Scientist several years ago, b/c one of our members @jani myriam in SL was a transgender avatar who became a transgender woman

LisaSchaefer Ruby: Glitteratica: do you have a list you could sent me?

bulaklak: Who stuides gender in Second Life

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Lisa was bringing up some of the negatives associated with complete anonymity online

Hour Destiny: Some people are actually taken more seriously when they’re not using their RL selves.

Glitteractica Cookie: Lisa, I can send you a couple

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Trolling, griefing and the like

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Can we talk about that for a bit?

Glitteractica Cookie: please email community@techsoup.org and remind me

bulaklak: Tom Boellstorff

Ozma Malibu: If you are intersted in research issues, ask on the SLED list

Widget Whiteberry: virtuality frees us from the projections we encounter in rl

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): What are some of the negatives of online anonymity?

Buffy Beale: oh, yes I heard Tom speak in SL about his book

bulaklak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Boellstorff

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): (tom is great)

Buffy Beale: ty bulaklak

Widget Whiteberry: Rik, are we talking anonymity or psuedonymity?

LisaSchaefer Ruby: ty buffy

Hour Destiny: Usually, there is much less credibility.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): either, widget

Widget Whiteberry: they are very different

Buffy Beale: so negative would be it’s hard to trust if you don’t really know who you’re talking to

Arielion Clawtooth: On the serface it seems like stripping away avatar names would make it harder for grievers but really it would cause those with that intent to step up their game and steal other identities.

Widget Whiteberry: we should separate them

Arielion Clawtooth: *surface

okay just complete anonymity first

Widget Whiteberry: thank you

Sarvana Haalan: personally… I get concern at times about how some individuals may react once thry discover my racial background… I fear that it may disrupt our potentila collaboration.

Calliope Novaland: I think anonomous or pseudo is an important one

Hour Destiny: Attackers would be much harder to spot and stop.

 

bulaklak: Well, from a Community Manager standpoint, it’s interesting. Anonymity can potentially degrade the level of conversation because people don’t feel accountable for what they say.

 

Widget Whiteberry: Widget Whiteberry nods to Sarvana

bulaklak: Especially in blogs.

TammySM: Well i think the biggest negative would be if someone came in to get help..some may feel ok sharing if anonymous but not it you can be found out.

Hour Destiny: So, much less accountibility.

Arielion Clawtooth: Wbulaktak I see that as a plus not a minus.

bulaklak: It’s something a little shy of trolling.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): chatroulette is some of what I fear from complete anonymity

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): a complete breakdown of social norms and behaviors.

Sarvana Haalan: Have had one one situation so far… which was good but not a surprise

bulaklak: I definitely see both sides Aerillion

LisaSchaefer Ruby: I like the FB experience better than sl, because people are portraying their real selves on fb. But I also know those people irl

bulaklak: Sock puppeting is a real issue

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): a lowest common denominator experience that doesn’t help anyone.

TammySM: well anyone you may want to work with shouldn’t make a difference and if that causes them not to you sure dont want to work with them

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): So what is the difference between complete anonymity and pseudoanonymity? or are they just degrees of difference?

Sarvana Haalan: a colleague reminded me that the person behind each ava may bring their RL bias into SL. 🙁

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I see more negatives than positives, it’s really very worrying for me to see the trends everywhere. I’m fearing the day when in order to keep my identity private the only thing I can do is go off-grid completely. That will be a sad day for anyone.

Hour Destiny: The first one keeps chaning and the second one is where you stick with an identity.

Calliope Novaland: for me it’s a fuller expression of a pen name

Hour Destiny: *changing

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): Hour’s definition works for me.

LisaSchaefer Ruby: hm… when I play a male…is that anonymity or pseudonymity

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): (side note: I love this convo and appreciating everyone right now!)

Arielion Clawtooth: @Iskye No such thing as off the grid anymore. DId you see the research on face identity from photos? Google just bought the technology. If there’s a photo of your RL face your identity is known

Hour Destiny: To be completely anonymous, you need to keep changing identities.

bulaklak: Also at BAN6, I saw Eva Galperin from the Electronic Fronteir Foundation speak very eloquently about this issue. They do a lot of advocacy work around anonymity online. It really opened my eyes to the positives. https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): thanks bulaklak

Ozma Malibu: I started with 2 avatars, one for education and one for nonprofit, but Ozma and Sandy are the same person. I can’t really disconnect them from each other. So I use just the one. I don’t know what to call this situation. But have the other in case I need it & she’s anonymous.

Arielion Clawtooth: And because someone else’s security is at risk, so is yours.

Hour Destiny: I’ve identified people by their patterns in their behaviour.

Arielion Clawtooth: If a police officer’s identity is found out and a gang finds out about him, anyone associated with that police officer is at risk.

Jen (jenelle.levenque): People’s personalities come through even with just the text or IM

Calliope Novaland: I love how that works Hour 🙂

Widget Whiteberry: The people I work with @ Virtually speaking know my rl identity, but the -other – people who I meet in SL do not unless there is some ‘need to know’

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Let me say from a youth development perspective, giving a young person opportunities to separate somewhat from their RL identity can be a very empowering and important experience.

 

Ozma Malibu: absolutely, Rik.

Widget Whiteberry: Rik, I think that’s true for many of us

Arielion Clawtooth: @Rik and exposing their identity very dangerous

Michele Mrigesh: good point, Ric

Calliope Novaland: yes, Rik

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): They can experience what it might be like to be a different race, gender, physical experience, culture, etc

Michele Mrigesh: Rik*

Jen (jenelle.levenque): Not just the young folk Rik

RedGoddess (talkwithmarie): agree@Rik

Widget Whiteberry: it was certainly true for me – very empowering

Jen (jenelle.levenque): For Veterans as well as Transfolk

RedGoddess (talkwithmarie): for most ppl I think.

Ozma Malibu: street kids: it’s nonsense to ask them to use RL identities.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): they can literally try on different faces!

Calliope Novaland: works for older folks too

Sarvana Haalan: I must confuse that when I first returned to SL in 2009… I had been here earlier but the rudeness an dusability intimidated me… Oh, when I returned I found several avas in this community ( who made me feel comfortable in my “ava skin”. That why am so hooked on TechSoup and NPSL…. You are “real” in a virtual setting. 🙂

Buffy Beale: yes Oz, true enough

bulaklak: Great point, Rik

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): well I am old and set in my ways. Lol

 

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): it was ENORMOUSLY empowering for me to take on the identity iSkye Silverweb. I’ve been able to do so many more things with that than I would have with my RL identity.

 

Francesca Barnes: For many, I think that being gay and being in SL have shared atributes…being closeted is similar to having a “straight” avatar in RL

LisaSchaefer Ruby: I thought tat if I went around as a man, I’d ge more ‘respect.’ It’s not true. On most sims, people assume you’re young & uneducated even as a male

Arielion Clawtooth: Look at the boy that was bullied for homosexuality and killed himself for photos on the internet. Anonymous and as an avatar he could have expressed himself openly, but once his RL identity was shown, it pushed him over the edge.

bulaklak: In a way, it butts up against the creation of fiction, so there is a creative element in there, too, that I think is important

bulaklak: It’s a form of storytelling. Or can be

 

Hour Destiny: Also, I’ve heard of people having a lot of respect for a guild leader in a game like WoW and then finding out that person is a 9 year old (or thereabouts). If they knew the age beforehand, I doubt the kid would have been taken very seriously.

 

TammySM: omg

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): hour, that kid can develop his leadership skills without being judged!

 

Zinnia Zauber: I know I work on being as myself in SL as I am in RL. But, I think people really should focus on being their best self in SL.

 

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): That is one brilliant mind in that 9 year old body!

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): A treasure!

Jen (jenelle.levenque): We all have multiple personsas

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Zinnia, you are stealing my talking points for tomorrow

Calliope Novaland: that kid is already a leader

Arielion Clawtooth: It basically takes away 50% of the draw for being in a virtual world to begin with.

Zinnia Zauber: Well, I talk about this all the time.

Calliope Novaland: yes Jen!

bulaklak: I thought we were writing them right now, Rik

Jen (jenelle.levenque): SL gives us an opportunity to express them in a more accepting environment

Zinnia Zauber: This has been the focus of my work.

Glitteractica Cookie: And remember that there are many communities that don’t request for ppl to say their RL identiies. PPL can choose

 

Widget Whiteberry: I think of my avatar as part psychological projection and part creative outlet, all identity exploration ….

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): I think people outside of SL don’t understand that about what makes this a special place

Sarvana Haalan: plus here it does not matter that I am almost “older than dirt”. LOL, LOL when is what true collaborative interaction should be about

 

Zinnia Zauber: The avatar is our self worshipped and respected.

 

Buffy Beale: I agree Rik

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): all they see is crummy graphics and lag and virtual sex

bulaklak: lol

Sarvana Haalan: *which is…

Widget Whiteberry: Zinnia! ++

Hour Destiny: How does one use their RL identify in a fictional world like WoW, where everything else is fantasy? 🙂

Zinnia Zauber: This space is were we need to teach personal responsiblity and respect.

Ozma Malibu: The storytelling issue is important..we know that young people can work through issues by storytelling. But I have spoken up for NOT putting any kind of RL stories on the web in such cases. Then it’s there forever. Even stuff like poverty. I mean, seriously, that is a breach of ethics to even suggest using RL identities. We cannot do that in research anyway.

Zinnia Zauber: So, your name isn’t as important as your actions are.

HB Eternal: yay Zin

 

LisaSchaefer Ruby: I like going around as a weird ugly blob sometimes. The funny thing is, people assume I’m male when I do & they’re all mean. Then I get on by voice – suddenly I’m a real person…and female!

 

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): We should wrap up in a few minutes.

Calliope Novaland: good experiment Lisa

TammySM: lol

Sarvana Haalan: Rik… I am feeling a future NPSL “Multi-cultural” Summit emerging from this conversation… smikles

Sarvana Haalan: *smiles

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): But I wanted to make sure that everyone had a chance to say what they are feeling on this subject

iSkye Bonde (iskye.silverweb): I hope a transcript of this will become available? This is such a good discussion!

Sarvana Haalan: this has been an stimulating “real world” discussion

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): and any efforts being taken to work on these issues with LL and Google Plus

Hour Destiny: I wonder how many Lindens have avatars that are anonymous?

Calliope Novaland: Is this an ongoing conversation in this group?

Zinnia Zauber: When you are raised on Sesame Street, it doesn’t matter if you are a monster, you are still a “good person”.

Hour Destiny: Does anyone at Google have a private profile?

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Calliope, no this is the first we’ve talked about it that I know

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): But we may have some speaker in the future talk more directly about Google Plus

LisaSchaefer Ruby: my niece is a monster

Widget Whiteberry: Widget Whiteberry smirkles (nod to Sar)

Arielion Clawtooth: @Lisa Aren’t they all as children? :o)

LisaSchaefer Ruby: but we love the monsters

Calliope Novaland: I’d like to create a forum for this convo. it has many sides and there is much to say about it.

Jen (jenelle.levenque): lol @ arielion

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): (its nice that you let a dragon facilitate these meetings!)

CarynTopia Silvercloud: that would be great to continue the discussion

Sarvana Haalan: When I was in Metaplace (before they closed down), there was a “Multicultural Celebration … a great “teaching” opp

TammySM: lol

HB Eternal: I was a child once…. I think I still might be

Jen (jenelle.levenque): The pengquin left us

Buffy Beale: misses the little penguin

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): me too, buffy

Sarvana Haalan: I miss the penguin tooo

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Okay I think we are getting side tracked

Arielion Clawtooth: Imagine the bullying some kid would get if he or she was a penguin and identified in RL

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so let’s close this discussion for now, and thanks everyone for the honest and smart perspectives

LisaSchaefer Ruby: this was a really good discussion

Jen (jenelle.levenque): I’m not sure we are off track

bulaklak: Yeah, very great discussion.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Again, this will get posted to our google group, and to nonprofitcommons.org

Zinnia Zauber: There are two talks about avatars during SLCC. Please attend or watch them.

Glitteractica Cookie: thanks for facilitating, Rik

Buffy Beale: the transcripts are posted every week at http://www.nonprofitcommons.org

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): so we can continue to converse there and have updates here as they come up

 

Jen (jenelle.levenque): I find the acceptance of totally outrageous avatars as almost normal in SL. How can we translate that to acceptance RL

 

Arielion Clawtooth: Strange that people fight in RL over skin color but being another species in SL is no problem.

RedGoddess (talkwithmarie): good question@Jen

Buffy Beale: that’s a great question Jen

Calliope Novaland: I am a member of a group called Creative Identity, and we are about to revive it if anyone would like to join. This topic will be a big part of the discussion.

Widget Whiteberry: Perhaps virtuality teaches tolerance

Jen (jenelle.levenque): Cool

Sarvana Haalan: Arielion… so true

Jen (jenelle.levenque): All we need is an answer

Buffy Beale: great Calliope!

bulaklak: Cool, Calliope

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Jen, great comment

Jen (jenelle.levenque): Usually not as easy as the question

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): Calliope, is that an SL group?

Zinnia Zauber: Authentic Avatar Brand: Build Trust Through Your Virtual Presence – by me and Authentic Avatar Brand: Build Trust Through Your Virtual Presence by a panel including Drax

LisaSchaefer Ruby: I wonder how rl would be if we didn’t have gender

TammySM: it would stink

Zinnia Zauber: Avatar Identity: Privacy and Transparency in Social Media

Ozma Malibu: Rik gave me the opening line for a list of suggestions I made of how to conduct a class in SL.

Calliope Novaland: yes, Rik

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): oh? ok

Sarvana Haalan: That’s is one reason why I desire so for RL colleagues to come in-world…. an example of real collaboration regardless of our differences.

Ozma Malibu: One very early day at the NPC meeting he said “oh, excuse me, did I just explode?”

TammySM: that is like saying what if we are all the same….boring

Arielion Clawtooth: There are some things you still need RL for. ;o) Not willing to give up that part. :o)

Ozma Malibu: Excellend manners, Rik.

Rik Panganiban (rik.riel): lol

Calliope Novaland: Thank you Rik, this was excellent!

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Tomorrow, Friday August 12, at the Nonprofit Commons, we will have a discussion about a timely and important subject: anonymity, pseudonyms and online spaces.

Several news sites have been reporting on how the new social network “Google Plus” has been systematically removing accounts that use names that are not “real,” including several prominent Second Life residents. Meanwhile, Second Life changed their naming policy last year to enable you to effectively choose almost any name that you want, and display any name that you want. So whereas before I had to be “Rik Riel,” I can now be “Rik Panganiban” in Second Life.

References:

• http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2011/07/google-profiles-pseudonym-avatar-names-suspension-policy.html
• http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html
• http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/12/second-lifes-new-naming-policy.html

Do you think it is important in online spaces like Second Life and Google Plus that users be able to use any name they wish? Or should there be some form of identify verification?

Come share your opinion tomorrow at the Nonprofit Commons, starting at 8:30am PST . See you then!

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This Friday, August 5, the Nonprofit Commons is pleased to welcome representatives of the Library of Birmingham and Daden, Inc to talk about their “Virtual Library of Birmingham” project that launched last month. The purpose of the project is to allow the public to explore the planned future library two years before it is built, leave their comments, and interact with library staff.

The featured speakers will be Jen Bakewell, a Birmingham children’s and youth librarian, and Guy Wallace, the lead builder on the project from Daden.

That’s this Friday, August 5, at the Nonprofit Commons starting at 8:30am PST. Join us at this link: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Plush%20Nonprofit%20Commons/88/126/26 .

For more information on the virtual Library of Birmingham see the official press release.  Or if you are already in Second Life, teleport directly there with this link.

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We realize that some of you might only visit the Nonprofit Commons during the Friday morning get togethers.  This is great, and we really appreciate your attendance.  But did you know that every Tuesday night from 8-10pm SLT / PST there is a fun and friendly dance party hosted by our own Coughran Mayo called “Wharf Ratz“?

Every Tuesday evening, you can gather with a festive and silly group of nonprofit folks and others on the Aloft sim at this teleport link.  Coughran (a longtime NPC member for his group Preferred Family Healthcare) spins and electric mix of rock, pop, disco and whatever else comes into his imagination.  And he is always happy to take requests.

If you have never been to a virtual dance party before, it’s a lot more fun than it might appear. Being able to see your avatar getting down while also chatting in the text chat with nice folks is a sweet way to end the work day.  So find those dancing shoes in your inventory and teleport on over to Wharf Ratz!

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Check out this neat CNN iReport interview with Nancy Kayo, NPC member and executive director of the Virtual Native Lands:

“In what started out be to curiosity, an American Indian woman joined Second Life to see what her employer was working on in a virtual world. But, what she didn’t expect was to be rocketed into a new dimension. Four years later, Nancy Kay McDonald, a.k.a in Second Life as Nany Kayo, continues to challenge American Indians to adapt to virtual education and life ways.”

Read the full report.

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On Wednesday, July 27, 2011, at 7:00 PM PST / SLT, come to the next Online Community MeetUp featuring Meg Clark of CoTweet.

It will take place at TechSoup Headquarters in San Francisco, CA and streamed live to the Health Commons in Second Life (teleport Link).

The SF Online Community MeetUp is the free monthly gathering of online community managers, enthusiasts, and innovators to meet and discuss tools and strategies for building and managing effective communities. Our guest speaker this month will be Meg Clark of CoTweet who will be speaking about leveraging social media for better customer care, to engage with your community and humanize your brand. Learn how the folks at CoTweet manage their brand on Twitter and Facebook and learn from the success stories of brand communities including BestBuy, TurboTax and McDonalds.

Here are all the ways you can take part in the event! Feel free to participate in any and all of these ways:

• Participate virtually in the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life (slurl to location in Second Life):  http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Health%20Commons/146/29/21. You can see a step-by-step guide for how to participate in Second Life.
• Participate live at the TechSoup offices at 525 Brannan Street, San Francisco, CA.
• Follow the action on Twitter following the hashtag: #octribe.

See you then!

 

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The nonprofit (and NPC member) Virtual Ability announces that they are organizing an International Disability Rights Affirmation Conference (IDRAC2011) this weekend, July 23-24, in Second Life. The purpose of the conference is to “explore legal protections around the world for persons with disabilities” including local legislation to support the rights of persons with disabilities. Speakers are planned from Australia, Belgium, Costa Rica, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, the United States and the UK.

To participate, head to the Sojourner Auditorium on Virtual Ability Island (teleport link).

Official press release and conference schedule.

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Zinnia sends us news about the next Common Ground Nonprofit Networking party happening tonight, July 7, from 5-7pm at the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life. This month’s them is a “Roaring Twenties Lawn Party” which sounds like a lot of fun:

Dress up in white to dance and play games at CommonGround on July 7 from 5 to 7 PM SLT at Nonprofit Commons in Second Life! Enjoy networking and dancing among other nonprofits and supporters! Learn more about what nonprofits, educators, humanitarians, scientists, and artists accomplish in Second Life at this fun and informative event.

Click here to teleport directly to the festivities starting at 5pm today.

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Today, June 30, at 11am we will be streaming into the Nonprofit Commons a TechSoup webinar on “How to Evaluate Your Digital Literacy Program” taught by Linda Hofschire. Linda is Research Analyst at the Library Research Service (LRS) of the Colorado State Library.

Head to the Plush Nonprofit Commons (teleport slurl) at 11am PST today to listen in!

You can also connect on the web at this link: https://cc.readytalk.com/r/927di7ude017.

More info below…

Meeting Description:

Access to the Internet and computer training are key services public libraries and some nonprofits provide. To bolster their efforts, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided $7.2 billion to expand access to broadband services in the United States. Many groups received BTOP funding (Broadband Technology Opportunity Program) and are busy creating and updating computer centers, recruiting trainers and volunteers, creating lesson plans, and developing ways to keep their community engaged and interested in improving their computer skills.

In this free webinar, hear from Erick Ruiz who will provide a broad overview of evaluation fundamentals. Linda Hofschire, Research Analyst at the Colorado State Library and a BTOP grant recipient, will discuss the systems they use to track their impact, what they report, other indicators they track, and how this data will benefit their libraries beyond the grant period.

This webinar is specifically developed for anyone currently managing a computer center, librarians involved in computer-related programs, those who support digital literacy programs, or BTOP grant recipients. You will leave with an understanding of how to track the impact of your public access computers and computer training programs.

 

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On Friday, June 24, Ms. Caledonia Heron, the information architect for NASA’s Education Resource Center in Second Life, was the featured speaker at the Nonprofit Commons for our weekly meetup.  Caledonia gave us a report on how NASA is using Second Life in a variety of ways. 

Among the key points Caledonia mentioned:

• NASA is not new to virtual worlds. They have been in Second Life since 2006 and established a dedicated Education island in 2008.

• NASA has a significant investment in STEM education (science, technology, engineering and math education.) This is part of NASA’s mission to improve education for students and citizen scientists, to provide STEM career paths for upcoming students and a pipeline to NASA employment.

• In Second Life,the NASA eEducation island (teleport link) is a place for the agency to represent their resources from the NASA Education Portfolio. Their island is setup to represent NASA’s work on earth, in orbit and in exploration. 

• On their island, NASA supports various uses of the virtual space, including
  • 3D representations of actual NASA vehicles and facilities, such as robotic rovers
  • live interactive events like webcasts of shuttle launches and talks with experts
  • interactive exhibits on various scientific subjects such as a raindrop you can ride through the water cycle and data about the earth collected by NASA satellites

• The SL Education Resource Center is a place to find out about NASA Education Resources. The ERC is staffed by in-world NASA educator Elaine Lapka or Narya Revestel in Second Life. You can contact Elaine for:
  • K-12 standards-based curriculum, Student and teacher programs
  • Demonstrations: Electronic teaching resources
  • Copies: Over 100 video programs
  • Training: Inservice and preservice workshops

Clearly NASA has thought long and hard about how to best use virtual environments like Second Life to best accomplish their mission, as the world’s premiere space exploration agency.  This is a great example of what can be done by governmental institutions using virtual technologies.

Thanks to Caledonia Heron for talking with the nonprofit community about what NASA is up to.

A slightly edited chatlog follows after the jump…

 

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CHATLOG

Nonprofit Commons Meeting

June 24, 2011

Talk with Caledonia Heron, Information Architect, NASA Education Resource Center in Second Life

 

[08:48] Rik Riel: Caledonia can you come on down?

[08:49] Buffy Beale: claps for Caledonia!

[08:49] Rik Riel: Many of your know Caledonia Heron already I think

[08:49] Rik Riel: She is the Caledonia Heron, an information architect with the NASA Learning Technologies program.

[08:49] Caledonia Heron: Hi, and Good Morning!

[08:49] Gentle Heron: YAY Cousin Caledonia!!!!

[08:49] Caledonia Heron: lol, hey cousin 🙂

[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: w00t!

[08:50] Rik Riel: Learning Technologies is an education incubator for instructional technologies and the team manages NASA eEducation Island.

[08:50] Tuty Inkpen: Welcome, Caledonia! Yeah!

[08:50] Buffy Beale: Welcome Caledonia

[08:50] Caledonia Heron: thank you – what a great group 🙂

[08:50] Caledonia Heron: I like it here

[08:50] Rik Riel: NASA eEd recently established a staffed Education Resource Center in the main building on the island. The ERC provides educational support for teaching about NASA content in the classroom or after-school. Ms. Heron will speak about the ERC and the activities and events available at the NASA island.

[08:50] Rik Riel: let’s all welcome Caledonia to the NPC (again)

[08:50] Caledonia Heron: Thanks for coming to this discussion about NASA eEducation island at NonProfit Commons.

[08:51] Caledonia Heron: As Rik mentioned My name is Caledonia Heron and I work for the NASA Learning Technologies project.

[08:51] page Putzo: good to see you!

[08:51] Caledonia Heron: you too page 🙂

[08:51] Caledonia Heron: LT is an education technology incubator focused on new technologies for STEM instruction using NASA’s research and missions.

[08:51] Tuty Inkpen: my kids love the NASA site and videos

[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: What is the twitter handle of NASA learning tech? I want to tweet this

[08:51] Sarvana Haalan: Thanks Brena

[08:51] Caledonia Heron: Salamanca, my coworker is here today also

[08:52] Caledonia Heron: can you give a shoutout?

[08:52] Salamanca Congrejo: Howdy eeryone

[08:52] Caledonia Heron: also the twitter handle?

[08:52] Caledonia Heron: juggling 🙂

[08:52] Salamanca Congrejo: @NASALTP

[08:52] Robezz: hello

[08:52] Buffy Beale: hi there Salamanca

[08:52] Salamanca Congrejo: hiya

[08:52] Caledonia Heron: Feel free to ask questions at any time. Rik, if you could help me catch them in text that would be great. Sometimes I’m typing like crazy and can miss text going by.

[08:53] Salamanca Congrejo: call me Sal 😉

[08:53] Rik Riel: will do

[08:53] Caledonia Heron: a little background…

[08:53] Caledonia Heron: NASA has been in Second Life since 2006 and got a dedicated Education island in 2008. NASA has a significant investment in STEM education (science, technology, engineering and math education.)

[08:53] Caledonia Heron: This is part of NASA’s positive mission to improve education for students and citizen scientists. NASA invests in education to provide STEM career paths for upcoming students and a pipeline to NASA employment.

[08:54] Caledonia Heron: behind me are some slides of our island so you can get a sense of what it’sl ike before you visit

[08:54] Caledonia Heron: there’s an info kiosk to my right with a tourcard

[08:54] Caledonia Heron: The agency has dedicated time and capital to develop print, online and in person resources and activities. There are education assets for all learners, K-Grey. 

[08:55] Caledonia Heron: We want to encourage the youngest to the oldest to have an understanding of science and have the skills to contribute in those areas through their careers and/or private interests.

[08:55] Caledonia Heron: In SL, NASA eEducation island is a place for the agency to represent our resources from the NASA Education Portfolio.

[08:55] Caledonia Heron: You can find lots of RL resources online at the nasa.gov site. http://www.nasa.gov/education/

[08:55] Caledonia Heron: Our island is setup to represent NASA’s work on earth, in orbit and in exploration. The land area has a number of space analog activities such as NEEMO, Antarctica and a rover yard.

[08:56] Caledonia Heron: To prepare for the challenge of exploring remote destinations in space, NASA conducts “analog” missions here on Earth, in remote locations that have physical similarities to extreme space environments.

[08:56] Caledonia Heron: You can find info at nasa.gov and…

[08:56] Caledonia Heron: You can search for specific teaching materials at

http://search.nasa.gov/search/edFilterSearch.jsp?empty=true

[08:57] Caledonia Heron: Re analogs: For example NEEMO (NASA Extreme Environment Mission Operations) is an underwater sea laboratory off the coast of Key Largo.

[08:57] Caledonia Heron: lol, yes Sal for sure!

[08:57] Caledonia Heron: We practice mission activities there as an analog to being in space – researchers are in a small, remote location and work underwater which can give a sense of weightlessness.

[08:57] Caledonia Heron: We have a cute little rover there named Scuttle.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/NEEMO/NEEMO12/mission_journal_4_prt.htm

[08:58] Caledonia Heron: You can visit our SL NEEMO on the west side of the island ‚ check the tour card LM you can get from the information kiosk here on stage.

[08:58] Caledonia Heron: We hold underwater events when there are live research missions underway at NEEMO. Scuba gear optional. 

[08:58] Caledonia Heron: Our rover yard on the NE side of the island serves as an analog for the many robotic missions that the agency has in operation.

[08:58] Caledonia Heron: Here’s another example of one of our events : We hosted a group in SL for a live interactive webcast from the Black Rock Lava Flow in Arizona during last summer‚ DRATS testing (Desert RATS ‚ or Research and Technology Studies) where 2 SEV rovers went out in the field in simulated science mission.

[08:59] Caledonia Heron: We were able to watch a segment of the testing and interact with engineers using social media tools for Q&A.

[08:59] Buffy Beale: wow

[08:59] Caledonia Heron: You can get your own copy of the SEV when you click on the info kiosk, select the gifts button.

(SEV ‚ Space Exploration Vehicle) Lots of acronyms at NASA!!! ‚

[08:59] Caledonia Heron: and more info…. http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=37723

http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/analogs/

[09:00] Rik Riel: (we’ll be posting these links later if you miss them)

[09:00] Buffy Beale: would be fun to have a rover wandering around the NPC

[09:00] Caledonia Heron: We also have several earth science interactives to learn about NASA’s earth observing work. You can ride a raindrop through the water cycle or view aggregated earth observing data in video at the Science on a Sphere.

[09:00] Gentle Heron: I thought that was your role as rover, Buffy.

[09:00] Caledonia Heron: http://science1.nasa.gov/earth-science/ and http://climate.nasa.gov/

[09:00] Buffy Beale: ha!

[09:00] Caledonia Heron: Our island sky is dedicated to orbital and exploration missions. You can learn visit the Apollo moon landing, the ISS, the Hubble and many others.

[09:01] Caledonia Heron: Check your tourcard for places and LM’s.

[09:01] Hydra Shaftoe: I want my own Titan rover. I’d name it Elvis, since we all know that Elvis went to live on Saturn

[09:01] Caledonia Heron: In addition to the in-situ learning environment we host a dedicated Education Resource Center in the Main Building of the island.

[09:01] Buffy Beale: I thought it was Mars Hydra

[09:01] Caledonia Heron: This is what Rik blogged about and how we met. 🙂

[09:01] page Putzo: lol i thought he was dead

[09:01] Caledonia Heron: We worked with the NASA Core, the central repository for NASA ed materials, to place the most requested items from our Ed portfolio within the SL ERC.

[09:02] Buffy Beale: it’s so fascinating Caledonia, really shows the value of SL having NASA here

[09:02] Caledonia Heron: thanks Buffy 🙂

[09:02] Tuty Inkpen: Can’t wait to show this to the kids. They love exploring with us in SL (family friendly spots only of course)

[09:02] Caledonia Heron: Sal wrote about the ERC on SLED, Rik came to visit and we met on the island… serendipitous 🙂

[09:02] Caledonia Heron: CORE is the Central Operations of Resources for Educators.

http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/core/home/index.html

[09:03] Rik Riel: yeah SL is good for serendipitousness

[09:03] Buffy Beale: and now full circle having you present to us Caledonia 🙂

[09:03] Caledonia Heron: yep

[09:03] Caledonia Heron: We hosts events, webcasts and contests on the island. Visitors can take a self-guided tour or arrange for group tours. Please contact me if you’d like a group tour. We frequently host NASA scientists as guest speakers.

[09:03] Rik Riel: lol

[09:03] Caledonia Heron: We’ve had climate scientists, astrophysicists, a Nobel laureate, NASA administrators and many others give talks.

[09:03] Caledonia Heron: You can join the Welcome to NASA group to get notices of events and activities.

[09:03] Caledonia Heron: We‚Äôll be hosting a shuttle launch event in July. The first launch window for STS-135 is at 11:26 a.m. EDT on July 8 from NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

[09:03] Buffy Beale: do you livestream the launches?

[09:03] Buffy Beale: oh

[09:03] Buffy Beale: yay

[09:03] Caledonia Heron: yes, do come if you can

[09:04] Rik Riel: is taht the last one?

[09:04] Caledonia Heron: If you can’t join us in SL you can watch the launch at http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html

[09:04] Caledonia Heron: yes

[09:04] Troy McLuhan: Avatrian made a life-size 3D model and simulation of the shuttle for the July 8 launch

[09:04] Rik Riel: aww that makes me so sad

[09:04] Mila (milakel): is colab being funded by nasa?

[09:04] Buffy Beale: I think this is the one my name goes up on

[09:04] Tuty Inkpen: Caledonia, does NASA do virtual field trips for schools, similar to what the National Parks are doing?

[09:04] page Putzo: cool

[09:04] Caledonia Heron: Some local cable companies provide a dedicated NASA channel. “Check your listings”

[09:04] Dali Waverider: Caledonia, do you have an SL gourp we can join to receive event announcements?

[09:04] Caledonia Heron: yes Welcome to NASA Dali

[09:04] Dali Waverider: Thanks

[09:05] Caledonia Heron: there are virtual field trips, I can pull up that info for you later

[09:05] Tuty Inkpen: awesome ty

[09:05] Caledonia Heron: We’ve recently added a service at our Educator Resource Center in the Main Building. We have an educator from the ERC at Space Center Houston on call to help you find NASA Ed resources.

[09:05] Caledonia Heron: im me video to follow up 🙂

[09:05] page Putzo: a star is born;o)

[09:05] Caledonia Heron: The SL ERC is a place to find out about NASA Education Resources. In RL each NASA Center provides Education services and we’re proud to host the first staffed NASA ERC here in Second Life.

[09:06] Caledonia Heron: Our generous educator is Elaine Lapka and her av is Narya Revestel.

[09:06] Caledonia Heron: You can contact Elaine for:

K-12 standards-based curriculum, Student and teacher programs

Demonstrations: Electronic teaching resources

Copies: Over 100 video programs

Training: Inservice and preservice workshops

[09:06] Caledonia Heron: You can contact Narya Revestel in Second Life or email evelyn.e.lapka@nasa.gov for personalized ERC assistance.

[09:06] Tuty Inkpen: So excited to find out about this. The other parents in the booster club will eat this up, and maybe I can teach them how to get into SL.

[09:07] Caledonia Heron: Elaine works with Space Center Houston … http://www.spacecenter.org/

[09:07] Tuty Inkpen: (We attend a virtual school 4th, 3rd and k grades)

[09:07] Caledonia Heron: Please send me a friend request if you’d like to stay in touch.

Also if you have a free group slot, join Welcome to NASA to receive info, updates and event notices.

We have a kiosk at SL8B at the SSI location. Please drop by.

[09:07] Caledonia Heron: Thank you so much for your time. It was a pleasure to bring this information to you today. Thanks. Again, Please IM me for further info.

[09:07] Tuty Inkpen: *applause* awesome

[09:07] Tuty Inkpen: we love nasa and learning

[09:07] Rik Riel: Caledonia, we’d love for the NASA Ed to put some of their resources in our Eco Commons sim, perhaps pointing people to your island and web assets.

[09:07] ChrisG Techsan: great information

[09:08] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[09:08] Mimi Muircastle: fantastic information for all – thank you!

[09:08] Caledonia Heron: be glad to Rik 🙂

[09:08] Buffy Beale: Cheering!!

[09:08] RedGoddess (talkwithmarie): Thank you!

[09:08] Tuty Inkpen: and the combo in SL is far beyond my expectations; ty again!

[09:08] Caledonia Heron: did I catch all the questions?

[09:08] Rik Riel: maybe a space rover or two?

[09:08] Caledonia Heron: it got pretty furious there on my screen 🙂

[09:08] Rik Riel: I think so

[09:08] Caledonia Heron: sure thing, we love to rove 🙂

[09:08] Devilana Nirvana: /me claps for the great presentation

[09:08] Caledonia Heron: thanks y’all 🙂

[09:08] RedGoddess (talkwithmarie): yay!

[09:08] Rik Riel: we’ll post a summary of this to nonprofitcommons.org

[09:09] Rik Riel: thanks for taking the time t obe with us Caledonia

[09:09] Caledonia Heron: great! appreciate the shout out 🙂

[09:09] Caledonia Heron: my pleasure, wonderful to see you all

[09:09] Rik Riel: personally I’m such a huge fan of NASA as an old space-geek

[09:09] Gentle Heron: Thank you Caledonia. NASA has great resources for educators, and the SL build is all around fun.

[09:09] Caledonia Heron: we heart geeks 🙂

[09:09] Caledonia Heron: lol, we are geeks

[09:09] Buffy Beale: Yay!

[09:09] Rik Riel: feel free to come back again with future updates and announcements

[09:09] Mimi Muircastle: uber geeks:)

[09:09] Dancers Yao: thank you..great

[09:10] Caledonia Heron: thanks Rik!

[09:10] Rik Riel: and I’ll be in touch about bringing some NASA assets over to our Eco sim

[09:10] Tuty Inkpen: I’m a mom geek but still a geek. love astronomy too

[09:10] Tuty Inkpen: woot woot

[09:10] Caledonia Heron: perfect, look forward to it

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