Pay It Forward – Transcript from Collaborative Community Planning Workshop on Sept 21, 2012

Unabridged Transcript from the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life 5th Anniversary Celebration Active Collaborative Community Planning Workshop we had on September 21, 2012 to create solutions for all our unify goals for the Virtual Vision 2020 – an initiative to develop a plan for the Second Life community.

[20:31] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome!

[20:31] JenzZa Misfit: in RL we would say : you cant all talk at once
..but in SL .. yes we can
[20:31] JenzZa Misfit: 🙂
[20:31] JenzZa Misfit: and it works

[20:31] Sister Abeyante yawns and consults her time zone map to wonder
where in the world it is not in the middle of the night…

[20:31] Zinnia Zauber: Please have a seat on a cupcake.
[20:31] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, we tried to hit all timezones with events.

[20:31] Orange Planer: Middle-east and further east, Sister.

[20:31] Brena Benoir: While the world sleeps, we plan the takeover lol

[20:32] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): lol 🙂

[20:32] Brena Benoir: Hello Aunty

[20:32] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Evening Everyone.

[20:32] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): waves

[20:32] Pamala Clift: Greetings all

[20:32] JenzZa Misfit: ( Ive done that … set clock / get up / for
something awesome online at 3 am / )

[20:32] Mrs. G.G. Mauer (aunty.lockjaw): Hello Brena

[20:33] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome everyone!
[20:33] Zinnia Zauber: I want to give everyone some time to arrive.
[20:33] Zinnia Zauber: Please invite your friends and groups to join us!
[20:34] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome to the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life
5th Anniversary Celebration
[20:34] Zinnia Zauber: The Nonprofit Commons in Second Life is a
community of social benefit organizations managed by a community of
volunteers and sponsored by the nonprofit organization TechSoup
[20:34] Zinnia Zauber: We have had several events today!
[20:35] Zinnia Zauber: I am thrilled that we have this workshop to end
the celebration on.
[20:35] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you all for joining us.
[20:35] Zinnia Zauber: This is our Workshop Agenda
8:30 PM Introductions
8:40 PM Explanation of Community Planning and Virtual Vision 2020 purpose
8:50 PM Breakout groups discussion of goals and identification of who
might help achieve goal
9:20 PM Presentation of breakout group solutions and strategies
9:40 PM Build partnerships to lead by example
[20:36] Zinnia Zauber: Please come on down and have a seat on a cupcake!
[20:36] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you for coming! This workshop is in chat.
[20:36] Zinnia Zauber: We hope to share this transcript.
[20:37] Zinnia Zauber: So, I am warning you! I am taking names!
[20:37] Zinnia Zauber: 😉

[20:37] Orange Planer: My number is….

[20:37] Zinnia Zauber: I would like to introduce myself, I am Zinnia Zauber
[20:38] Zinnia Zauber: I am the chair of the Nonprofit Commons’ Mentors.
[20:38] Zinnia Zauber: I will be our MC tonight
[20:38] Zinnia Zauber: or you can call me Julie, your cruise director.

[20:38] Pamala Clift: lol

[20:39] Orange Planer: Oh man are you dating yourself or what.

[20:39] Zinnia Zauber: We have Pam Broviak as our lead for the workshop.
[20:39] Zinnia Zauber: yeah, I am.
[20:39] Zinnia Zauber: We like to start our sessions with introductions.

[20:39] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Hello everyone – and thanks to NPC
for hosting this workshop

[20:40] CarmenLittleFawn: Hi 🙂

[20:40] Zinnia Zauber: I encourage you to share who you are in RL if
you like, what orgs or groups you are with, and remember
[20:40] Zinnia Zauber: Smiles everyone, smiles!

[20:40] JenzZa Misfit: hi ! I am *filtered*

[20:40] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): da plane da plane

[20:41] Brena Benoir: Brenda Bryan, Preferred Family Healthcare, NPC member

[20:41] CarmenLittleFawn: giggles, Hi I am Lorna Hawkins, with Drive
By Agony/Keeping Kids Safe out of Los Angeles California

[20:41] Sister Abeyante: Sister Patrice Colletti, SDS Milwaukee, WI
*** @SisterAbeyante ***
@TechTips4Usds *** as well as a
volunteer with Virtual Ability, Inc.

[20:41] Zinnia Zauber: Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond, Sequim Humanities
and Arts Alliance, Sequim, Olympic Peninsula, Washington. @renneemiko I teach with
Peninsula College and chair the University of Washington’s Virtual
World Alumni org.

[20:41] Gentle Heron: Virtual Ability, Inc.

[20:41] Ozma Malibu: Sandy Andrews, Floaters Org, currently in AZ and NPC member

[20:41] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): Ricky, DJ DyVerse hiv/aids and
health advocate and blogger
[20:41] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): and milk drinker
[20:41] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): lol

[20:42] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[20:42] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Pam Broviak – an engineer working in
local government in Illinois and facilitator for the Virtual Vision
2020 community plan

[20:42] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett in Los Angeles, Elder Voices, Inc.
works with human rights and health care

[20:42] Namaara MacMoragh: Gloria Kraegel, nonprofit consultant
(, owner of Etopia Community sims
(, and working with BEST
( in Tacoma WA.

[20:42] Pamala Clift: Pamala Clift- The Roadside Philosopher, author
of Virgin’s Handbook on Virtual Relationships’s+handbook+on+virtual+relationships
and CEO of Virtual Handhold, LLC

[20:42] Zinnia Zauber: Please take a moment to introduce yourself if
you are just joining us.
[20:43] Zinnia Zauber: Great to see so many people from the wonderful
state of Washington!
[20:43] Zinnia Zauber: Just bragging, sorry.

[20:43] fate Paule: Penny Condoll, ED of the Brain Energy Support
Team, BEST, an advocate for individuals with a brain injury, our focus is peer-peer support and

[20:43] Zinnia Zauber: 🙂

[20:43] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Gramma Fiddlesticks, long time SL’er who
teaches SL skills for several SL school/help groups as well as work
with CF University group in support of their non-profit activities
here in SL.

[20:43] fate Paule: 🙂 i agree zinnia

[20:44] Zinnia Zauber: Yay fate!
[20:44] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you all for introducing yourself!
[20:44] Zinnia Zauber: This is a wonderful way we find connections and
make new friends!
[20:44] Zinnia Zauber: Have you been reading each other’s profiles?

[20:44] Gramma Fiddlesticks: of course!

[20:45] Zinnia Zauber: Awesome!

[20:45] CarmenLittleFawn: not yet, but I will 🙂

[20:45] Zinnia Zauber: I think our Profiles are a way we share what
communities we belong to in SL.
[20:45] Zinnia Zauber: What do those communities actually say about us?
[20:46] Zinnia Zauber: Let me remind you of our agenda again.

[20:46] Orange Planer: Are you asking for feedback?

[20:46] Zinnia Zauber: We got through the first part!

[20:46] Zinnia Zauber: Orange you will find I ask questions for engagement.
[20:47] Zinnia Zauber: So you are welcome to respond.

[20:47] Brena Benoir: I think that depends on the person and their
reason for being here in SL

[20:47] Orange Planer sets up a pair of speakers next to Zinnia’s microphone.

[20:47] Zinnia Zauber: And, I take dark chocolate offerings.

[20:47] Gentle Heron: Zinnia, are they rhetorical or can we respond

[20:47] Zinnia Zauber: They are both.
[20:47] Zinnia Zauber: So I am totally fine with you answering them
[20:47] Zinnia Zauber: Because I know that I am not being interrupted.
[20:48] Zinnia Zauber: I want those answers!
[20:48] Zinnia Zauber: hehe
[20:48] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome Dude!
[20:48] Zinnia Zauber: Thanks for joining us

[20:48] Gentle Heron: I find it’s useful to look at others’ profiles
and group lists in SL. That often tells me more on first meeting a
person here than I could learn by first meeting them in RL.

[20:48] JenzZa Misfit: back , sorry .. I’m JenzZa .. alot of you know
me from the production team for Metanomics in SL , the rest is
complicated but interesting …so here’s my number, call me maybe ! *
Jenny Jenny ..8 6 7 5 3 .. 0 .. 9 *
[20:49] JenzZa Misfit: re: see profile

[20:49] PowerchairDude: hello

[20:49] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, great answer Gentle!
[20:49] Zinnia Zauber: 9 e 9 nine

[20:49] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[20:49] Sister Abeyante: I agree- our groups are a peek into us- our
interests and priorities.

[20:49] JenzZa Misfit: I already love you Zinnia !

[20:49] Sister Abeyante scans her groups and starts hiding some….

[20:49] Zinnia Zauber: So, with reading those profiles we make discoveries

[20:49] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[20:50] Orange Planer: OMG!

[20:50] Zinnia Zauber: Do you make friend requests because of what you discover?

[20:50] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): has no groups so I represent my
dementia very well lol

[20:50] CarmenLittleFawn: mmmhmmm

[20:50] Orange Planer: I just discovered all my friends are….
[20:50] Orange Planer: VOLUNTEERS!

[20:50] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[20:50] Gentle Heron smiles at Orange’s discovery
[20:50] Gentle Heron: That also says something about you, who your friends are.

[20:50] Zinnia Zauber: ha DyVerse

[20:50] PowerchairDude: lol

[20:51] Zinnia Zauber: right
[20:51] Zinnia Zauber: Why do we make friends in Second Life?
[20:51] Zinnia Zauber: Do we want to find a community that we can belong to?

[20:51] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): so I can make them listen to me play music

[20:51] Zinnia Zauber: yes! That is true!

[20:51] JenzZa Misfit: .. I am actually suspicious of any group that
would actually have me .. as a member *scribbling notes*

[20:51] Namaara MacMoragh: like-minded firends, professional collaborations,

[20:51] Orange Planer: They’re patient with me when I forget who they are.

[20:51] Zinnia Zauber: wonderful!

[20:52] Gramma Fiddlesticks: some of us make friends here because our
rl contacts are limited.

[20:52] Zinnia Zauber: Ah, very good Gramma!
[20:52] Zinnia Zauber: That is the power of virtual worlds, right?

[20:52] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): because we share similar paths and stories

[20:52] Zinnia Zauber: Yes yes

[20:52] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Exactly Zinnia

[20:53] Zinnia Zauber: this is great!

[20:53] Namaara MacMoragh: I agree with Gramma… for myself I really
don’t get out much and this has been a great way to meet people I like
without the barriers often presented in RL.

[20:53] Dancers Yao: I enjoy meeting people from different cultures…

[20:53] Zinnia Zauber: yes!

[20:53] Brena Benoir: Maybe we see something in a profile that sparks
our interest

[20:53] Zinnia Zauber: How many of us have met our SL friends in RL?

[20:53] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I have met some. =)

[20:53] Sister Abeyante: Sometimes, friending is about building
community, but more often, it’s about connecting..then after
coonecting, getting to know someone…then after connecting, and
getting to know the person, THEN a sense of communty.

[20:53] Brena Benoir: I have

[20:53] Namaara MacMoragh: I’ve met a couple of them. Not as many as
Coughran. 🙂

[20:53] Dancers Yao: a few

[20:53] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): ummmm i have meet them virtualy
without their avatar

[20:53] Zinnia Zauber: I have.

[20:53] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): lol

[20:53] JenzZa Misfit: I am and have been in SL since 06 .. actually
as my RL work and the friends collection is a happy accident and
awesome by-product !

[20:54] PowerchairDude: excure me do you have a problem with your
avatar Pam or is that your avatar, I have had a problem with my avatar
and have figured out how to fix it.
[20:54] PowerchairDude: excure*

[20:54] Brena Benoir: not sure we can even think about competing with
him on that one Namaara

[20:54] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): am i smoke? it looks find to me
PowerchairDude – what do you see?

[20:54] Zinnia Zauber: Are you seeing Pam as a cloud?

[20:54] Orange Planer: Yes, I am.

[20:54] Zinnia Zauber: I see that too.

[20:55] PowerchairDude: yes

[20:55] Par (parhelion.palou): Yes

[20:55] Gramma Fiddlesticks: not seeing “all” of her.

[20:55] CarmenLittleFawn: no

[20:55] Dancers Yao: yes

[20:55] CarmenLittleFawn: I see her

[20:55] Brena Benoir: I am seeing a missing section 🙁

[20:55] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[20:55] Brena Benoir: I thought it was me

[20:55] Gentle Heron: yes cloudy with a chance of meatballs maybe?

[20:55] Zinnia Zauber: awww

[20:55] Gramma Fiddlesticks: same for me Brena

[20:55] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[20:55] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): let me check what i am wearing

[20:55] Sister Abeyante shrugs and assumed it is just “SL”! LOL

[20:55] Pamala Clift: just a cloud

[20:55] Brena Benoir: rofl Gentle

[20:55] Orange Planer: I’m not worrying about a cloud avatar.

[20:55] CarmenLittleFawn: lag

[20:55] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I thought perhsps she was wearing a mesh
clothign item. sometimes those don’t fully rez for me.

[20:55] Orange Planer: That issue will resolve itself.

[20:55] Pamala Clift: just add a new set of eyes and it resets

[20:55] Zinnia Zauber: It is okay, she is full of solid things to say!

[20:55] Gentle Heron: Right this is SL… we can move on.

[20:55] Zinnia Zauber: Yay!

[20:56] Gentle Heron: There she comes now.

[20:56] Zinnia Zauber: Now we can see you!

[20:56] Gramma Fiddlesticks: there she is!

[20:56] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): although it is scary to start taking
things off i tried 🙂 did i get it?

[20:56] PowerchairDude: it happens

[20:56] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, I am going to have Pam share with us now.
[20:56] Zinnia Zauber: Explanation of Community Planning and Virtual
Vision 2020 purpose
[20:56] Zinnia Zauber: Please have a seat with JayR.

[20:57] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Thanks Powerchair for letting me
know I was hollow! 🙂
[20:57] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Virtual Vision 2020 is an attempt to
capture the community’s thoughts, ideas, opinions, and goals for
Second Life.

[20:57] PowerchairDude: me either but I just wasn’t sure so I asked
[20:57] PowerchairDude: lol

[20:57] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Modeled off the community planning
process that takes place in communities all across the world, this
virtual plan can help the Second Life community define itself, set
goals for its future, and offer a roadmap for success.

[20:57] PowerchairDude: your welcome

[20:58] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): A community plan helps people
anticipate and prepare for their collective future.
[20:58] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): More specifically it explains why
the plan is needed, identifies community goals and objectives,
compares options and sets priorities, and suggests actions and
solutions and explores how well they might meet expectations of the

[20:58] Pamala Clift: *raises hand*. Do we have LL buy in as well.. so
they don’t pull the rug out from under our expectations?

[20:59] Orange Planer: The LAST thing you want is “LL buy-in.”

[20:59] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): I had tried to contact them
initially because I believe it would be best to have their
involvement, but I never heard from them at all

[20:59] Gentle Heron: I’d like to ask about background assumptions for
this proposed effort. I see several stated on the website:
A healthy and sustainable economy is important to the success of a community.
An interesting and vibrant culture is important to the success of a community.
Education is important to every community.

Would you please share other assumptions of Virtual Vision2020?

[20:59] Par (parhelion.palou): LL’s involvement in SL is minimal
trending to non-existent

[20:59] Pamala Clift: if they change the platform.. nothing we do will matter

[20:59] Gramma Fiddlesticks can vouch for that Orange!

[20:59] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Have any of you participated in a
plan in your RL communities?

[20:59] Orange Planer: If I might interject a comment….

[21:00] Sister Abeyante: @Pam- I have (participated in RL community planning)

[21:00] Orange Planer: The problem with LL buy-in is that they change
direction, thus negating anything anybody has done that ties in with
that “buy-in.”

[21:00] Brena Benoir: Employer strategic planning teams

[21:00] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): go ahead Orange and then I’ll
address Gentle’s question

[21:00] Gentle Heron: Yes, I’ve participated in planning under several
different levels of “community”

[21:00] Zinnia Zauber: I was on our city planning committee.

[21:00] Orange Planer: The result is that plans and organization get
destroyed, and I have direct experience with this.

[21:01] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): If you’ve participated in RL on a
committee you realize the benefit of having the “governing” authority

[21:01] Orange Planer: While LL may change the platform, they aren’t
changing anything NPC does, which is all about communication.

[21:01] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): unfortunately here I am not sure LL
realizes the benefit of their involvement

[21:01] Orange Planer: LL doesn’t care, Pam.
[21:01] Orange Planer: That’s not what they’re about.

[21:01] Pamala Clift: that is my point.. if this becomes a gaming
platform that eliminates notices.. screws up the marketplace.. locks
down sims.. what do we really hope to do?

[21:01] Dancers Yao: yes…we help with issues of discrimination,
prejudice, gang violence

[21:01] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): I am not sure if it is not caring or
not getting it

[21:01] CarmenLittleFawn: nods

[21:01] Orange Planer: Not care.
[21:02] Orange Planer: Plenty of them “get it,” but business interests
have always driven them towards a different goal.

[21:02] JenzZa Misfit: so true Orange , and we should not be surprised
by that really.

[21:02] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): anyway, I had thought the plan idea
would have to be abandoned until I saw what happened with SL9B and
realized the community can still plan

[21:02] Zinnia Zauber: Regardless of LL, we need to work together.

[21:02] CarmenLittleFawn: nods

[21:02] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): That could be Orange

[21:02] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): I have seen the LL culture change
over the years it is no longer sl community based but LL business

[21:02] CarmenLittleFawn: yes

[21:03] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): for example, in our city our
churches create their own community plans without our participation
and it is important for them to still do so even though the city is
not involved in it

[21:03] Ozma Malibu: today has made me optimistic. so much was
showcased, and it all has implications

[21:03] JenzZa Misfit: We have to remember that LL is a company
selling a product ( SL ) to it’s customers ( the community )

[21:03] Gramma Fiddlesticks: byt don’t you all see, as long as they
don’t take down the gird, SL9B proved we CAN still operate as a
communities here and do what we’ve always done.

[21:03] Orange Planer: Pam – when the SL Mentors broke up, LL started
another program, this time independently run, to create mentor groups
that simply fulfilled a number of criteria. For the most part those
groups are not well organized, but at least three of them are, and
they plan and communicate quite well on their own.

[21:03] Gramma Fiddlesticks: *grid

[21:03] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Gramma that is what I had thought
too so figured it would be worthwhile to at least try to develop a

[21:03] Orange Planer: Your experience with SLB only verifies that.

[21:04] Gramma Fiddlesticks: People said it couldn’t be done. But
thewe DID DO IT! And it was a great success!

[21:04] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Exactly Orange, if we identify goals
that the community can make happen then it will be successful

[21:04] Orange Planer nods

[21:05] Gramma Fiddlesticks: there’s an old saying about that you know. =)

[21:05] Ozma Malibu: sometimes, people’s voices are heard by going
outside the community, and then the powers that be say “oh – I didn’t
realize that what you are doing, is also good for me.” But this may be
a last chance. They may be hoping that, as the Arizona governor says,
we will all just self-deport. Leave, and then not be a bother. Well,
sometimes I am optimistic.

[21:05] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): we can also try to identify goals
that only LL can do and then it is up to them to decide if our well
being and happiness mean enough to them to take on meeting those goals

[21:05] Zinnia Zauber: We can agree that LL has their issues. I always
say, “Solutions, not excuses.” Which is why we are here!
[21:05] Zinnia Zauber: Great, Pam!

[21:06] CarmenLittleFawn: mmhmm

[21:06] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Gentle – you brought up a great
question – the foundation of the plan really

[21:06] Gramma Fiddlesticks: LL is a business. WE are the “SL communities.

[21:06] Zinnia Zauber: Very good, Gramma. Yes.

[21:06] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): I approached it as we would if we
were in a RL community just changing it to accommodate the virtual

[21:07] PowerchairDude: ooh pictures huh?

[21:07] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): so i focused on economy education
and culture along with land and infrastructure – all those things are
what supports a RL plan

[21:08] Pamala Clift: Well connection and notices that are so small
and you cant open them to read.. sims locking down components for the
gaming and gltiches that work oppostie the community good? …

[21:09] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): of course, if anyone brings up
another element it should definitely go into the plan

[21:09] Sister Abeyante: @Pam- a question: can a community thrive and
be vibrant even if some or one of those components you just listed is
missing or weak?

[21:09] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Sister – it can if the weak element
is not important to that community

[21:09] Gentle Heron: So I’m noting that one underlying assumption is
that virtual communities have the same components are RL ones.
[21:10] Gentle Heron: *as RL ones

[21:10] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Pamala – those are exactly the type
of infrastructure issues to identify

[21:10] Dancers Yao: yet it helps in a RL community to be able to vote
for the people in charge….

[21:10] Pamala Clift: I love this platform.. fight to pull people
together.. and use it for education.. ..but as I am watching the
values of the community being squashed.. .. I have less hope.

[21:10] Namaara MacMoragh: You have a good point, Gentle.

[21:10] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Gentle – yes I watch RL communities
closely and have watched SL since I Joined – i am amazed by the
similarities – not sure how others have viewed this?

[21:10] Orange Planer: Pamala, are you aware that Linden Research is
embarking on a multi-year, multi-million dollar effort to speed up the

[21:11] JenzZa Misfit: for Steam …

[21:11] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Dancers – although we cannot vote
for our “overlords” we can suggest a goal of an elected community
representative group

[21:11] DJ DyVerse (urbanskribbles): is the plan taking in
consideration other virtual worlds or just second life?

[21:12] PowerchairDude: ???? your what??

[21:12] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @DJ this plan is just looking at SL.
Although I am involved in another community plan for another grid

[21:12] Sister Abeyante: Expanding on Gentles comment- would any of us
here say that, perhaps, there are additional components of community
that are unique to SL or virtual worlds?

[21:13] Orange Planer: Sister – distance communication, presence, the
ability to create one’s environment.
[21:13] Orange Planer: Virtual worlds like Second Life/ReactionGrid,
etc., all have this in common.

[21:13] Sister Abeyante nods enthusiastically in agreement… and
suggests “time shifting” and its relationship to RL geography might
also be on the list.

[21:13] Pamala Clift: I would like LL to give us notice windows that
open up.. that DONT have the time stamped on it of the notice right on
top, but just allow us to put the time of the event. Right now half
the time I can not even OPEN attachments.

[21:13] Ozma Malibu: The social cues here are different, but they have
counterparts in RL

[21:14] Namaara MacMoragh: If we operate in virtual worlds with RL
assumptions we miss the opportunities, in my opinion, to build
creative collaborations that can transform what we do in RL.

[21:14] PowerchairDude: yes and I a gree

[21:14] Namaara MacMoragh: I think we need to own our underlying
assumptions first before we can change them.

[21:14] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Pamela those are “viewer” issues.

[21:14] PowerchairDude: agree

[21:15] Pamala Clift: yes it is the viewer issues that I am concerned
about as seems they are working to close other platforms

[21:15] Namaara MacMoragh: Too often we approach what we do here the
way would in RL and thereby limit ourselves.

[21:15] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): the viewer issues are a type of infrastructure

[21:15] fate Paule: great point Nam

[21:15] Gentle Heron nods to Namaara.

[21:15] Dancers Yao: In SL I think you can explore more imaginitive
possibilities for solving problems in a global community setting…

[21:15] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Namaara that is a good point – the
counterpart to RL might be here yet if we want to enhance it or take
advantage of the virtual setting that is a goal to set

[21:15] Sister Abeyante: @ Namaara: So you are proposing that VWs have
some fundamental differences.

[21:15] PowerchairDude: I would like to see a system that doesn’t
bombard you with stuff to click on the second u get there too
[21:16] PowerchairDude: better to have a help desk with stuff to click on

[21:17] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): So as we discuss the goals here
perhaps we should also consider in setting the goals and strategy for
meeting them the virtual setting and abilities we have

[21:17] Ozma Malibu: It’s a culture that you come to know by interacting here.

[21:17] Namaara MacMoragh: I think the opportunity to be creative is
greater in virtual worlds along with the abiltiy to truly transend

[21:17] Zinnia Zauber: Goals! Now my signs come in! Yay!

[21:17] Pamala Clift: We all have our groups and our pet projects, we
would like to be able to keep at least what we have developed.

[21:17] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂
[21:18] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Zinnia has laid out four main goals
(one is open for suggestion) We would like to break into smaller
discussion groups and each group take on that goal

[21:19] Zinnia Zauber: Then we will have Presentation of breakout
group solutions and strategies.

[21:19] Gentle Heron: wait wait…. solutions? do goals have solutions?

[21:19] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes! so in each group you can
discuss that goal, explore ways to meet that goal and who might be

[21:19] PowerchairDude: sometimes

[21:20] Orange Planer: Not all goals have solutions.
[21:20] Orange Planer: Or, realistic solutions.

[21:20] Zinnia Zauber: how about aims?

[21:20] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): if we can’t meet the goal that would
be a conclusion then and the goal would have to be abandoned

[21:20] Orange Planer: Not true.

[21:20] Zinnia Zauber: You can’t hit the target without aiming.

[21:21] Dancers Yao: we can explore possible paths to reaching goals

[21:21] Orange Planer: One can work toward a goal without knowing what
the final solution will be.

[21:21] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes Dancer!

[21:21] Gentle Heron: Paths, yes, that I understand. Paths to a goal.

[21:21] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): and who might help us get there

[21:21] Sister Abeyante likes Dancers’ image

[21:21] Zinnia Zauber: Great!

[21:21] Sister Abeyante: Goals>>>Paths>>> Help/Resources to get there

[21:21] Dancers Yao: a mythic journey for the information age!

[21:22] Orange Planer: It’s like trying to figure out how to make a
nuclear fusion power reactor that runs consistently.

[21:22] JenzZa Misfit: ‘ rapid understanding ‘ of virtual worlds &
faster immersion ( in your dreams )

[21:22] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Exactly Sister!

[21:22] Gentle Heron: JenzZa, think GOAL!

[21:22] Sister Abeyante raises her hand: Where did these four come
from to start with? Maybe I missed something?

[21:22] JenzZa Misfit: goal Gentile ! goal goal ! * raising a hockey stick*

[21:23] Orange Planer notes JenZa’s north american bent.

[21:23] Gramma Fiddlesticks: but isn’t that exactly as it should be
Jenza?? When we were “born” (rezzed) in real life, didn’t we have to
leanr to walk/talk/move etc??? Why shoul dit be any different here???

[21:23] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): We chose the goals based on the
discussions we’ve had so far – what we’ve heard from the community in
general. Zinnia left one open for suggestion or if people thought one
was not good, we can certainly change it to one we thought was better

[21:23] JenzZa Misfit: thats an unrealistic goal .. imo
[21:23] JenzZa Misfit: right Gramma .. but it took you 18 years right ?

[21:23] Sister Abeyante: @Pam- thanks for clarifying that.

[21:23] JenzZa Misfit: to learn to be a human adult ?

[21:23] CarmenLittleFawn: please state the goals and I agree with sister

[21:24] JenzZa Misfit: being an avatar is not a costume …
[21:24] JenzZa Misfit: that you can slap on and go.

[21:24] Gramma Fiddlesticks: yes in RL it did. and in here it took
less than 8 months!

[21:24] JenzZa Misfit: OK ..8 months
[21:24] JenzZa Misfit: but it doesnt take 8 minutes .. or 8 days even

[21:24] Orange Planer: Some people less.
[21:24] Orange Planer: Depends on the person.

[21:24] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): The goals are:

[21:24] JenzZa Misfit: thats the problem

[21:24] Gramma Fiddlesticks: It took me a week to learn to walk here!

[21:25] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Improving onboarding of people –
similar to what you are discussing here – how to get people involved
faster and better

[21:25] Gramma Fiddlesticks: people seem to want to be able to do
everythign instantly.

[21:25] JenzZa Misfit: RLADLL ( real life attention doesnt last long ) syndrome

[21:25] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): The next would be helping people
find things related to their interests faster and better
[21:26] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Gramma – good point – and perhaps
the goal should accept that and find a way to manage it – just an idea
of how it could be approached

[21:26] JenzZa Misfit: .. the person at the keyboard at somepoint ..
gets it .. and becomes their avatar . .if they stick it out long
enough 🙂 but i rarely happens quickly I find

[21:26] Dancers Yao: and encourage exploring…like in RL learning new
skills isn’t always easy

[21:26] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): The 3rd goal is helping people to
build partnerships, networks, relationships – creating an
environment/tools that are conducive to meeting this goal
[21:27] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Dancer – good add on that one!

[21:27] PowerchairDude: I think it would be a good idea to make a
YouTube video about SL and how to use it .

[21:27] Orange Planer: Been done… for Viewer 1.

[21:27] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @JenzZa – that is so true – so maybe
the goal realizes it takes time and explores how to best handle that
or convey that to the user

[21:27] Gramma Fiddlesticks: agree JenzZa. Once they “get it”, they
stay and become productive, contributing members of SL. So I would
think the “goal” with that is to help them “understand” what SL is all

[21:28] PowerchairDude: thats good

[21:28] JenzZa Misfit: bingo !!!

[21:28] Orange Planer: But we’re up to Viewer 3 now.

[21:28] JenzZa Misfit: yahtzee !
[21:28] JenzZa Misfit: woot !

[21:28] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): and the final goal would be open for

[21:28] Zinnia Zauber: Does anyone have a suggestion?

[21:29] JenzZa Misfit: put 20 of em in a room with JenzZa .. she will
sell them on SL 🙂 *heh*
[21:29] JenzZa Misfit: j/k !

[21:29] PowerchairDude: lol
[21:29] Ozma Malibu: is there a place for “getting the word out”

[21:29] Sister Abeyante: This is interesting. In a sense, all three
stated goals relate to improving the infrastructure (ie how to make it
happen fater/easier). None really relate to the culture aspect
directly… only as it is mediated by the infrastructure?

[21:29] Ozma Malibu: sharing what we’ve learned?

[21:29] Zinnia Zauber: Well, that is a good point.

[21:29] Gramma Fiddlesticks: that’s the 64K L$ question I’ve been
asking and trying to find solutions for and helping people with for
over 5 years Pam!

[21:29] Zinnia Zauber: So I have a suggestion.

[21:30] JenzZa Misfit: Sister ! i noticed that too !

[21:30] Zinnia Zauber: We are all doing such a great job brainstorming together.

[21:30] Namaara MacMoragh: I agree with Sister Abeyante on that.
[21:30] Orange Planer: There’s one key point that nobody explains to
new residents that completely blows their mind.

[21:30] Ozma Malibu: relating to other groups that aren’t in SL, but
have something in common?

[21:30] Zinnia Zauber: Let stay together and cover each goal as a big team.

[21:30] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Sister – culture could be
incorporated because perhaps enhancing or building culture would help
in the goal for either onboarding or for finding interests

[21:30] JenzZa Misfit: only one, Orange? lol

[21:30] Dancers Yao: good idea Zinnia

[21:30] Zinnia Zauber: So, I think about how I try to bring people into SL.

[21:30] Orange Planer: It’s that there is a conversion between Lindens
and American dollars and vice versa.

[21:30] Zinnia Zauber: I created a set of slideshows to help people.

[21:30] JenzZa Misfit: oh , agreed

[21:31] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Doing away with official “greeters” to
help and explain to brand new first time logins was a huge mistake in
my humble opinion.

[21:31] Orange Planer: That creates a connected economy that drives SL.

[21:31] Zinnia Zauber: It was part of a project that I did for ASU.

[21:31] Orange Planer: I disagree, Gramma.

[21:31] Zinnia Zauber:

[21:31] Pamala Clift: I wrote the book specifically to help with
engagement issues and the evolution of perspective.. Disassociative,
Immersive & Augmentative

[21:31] Sister Abeyante: @ Pam- I wonder… is the vibrancy of a
community (in a vw) then more dependent on infrastructure than,
perhaps, in RL?

[21:31] Brena Benoir: agreed Gramma

[21:31] Orange Planer: Except that no psychologist/psychiatrist backs
you on it, Pamala.

[21:31] Zinnia Zauber: When we talk about these goals, we need to
think of how we are actively created community through the action and

[21:31] Gramma Fiddlesticks: sorry orange. If the right people are
doing the greeting, then it works. I worked for 2 years doing exactly
that and many many of those first time people I helped are still here.

[21:32] Zinnia Zauber: Rapid Understanding of Virtual Worlds and
Faster Immersion

[21:32] CarmenLittleFawn: ty Zinnia and I agree

[21:32] Orange Planer: So did I, Gramma, but the problem is that there
cannot be enough people who do the job well enough.

[21:32] Zinnia Zauber: How do we welcome people to our RL communities?

[21:32] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Sister – i love that question
because i am very involved in infrastructure in RL – my experience
there is that our communities would completely fall apart without it
working well but no one realizes it or understands how dependent they
are on it

[21:32] Zinnia Zauber: Do we make suggestions for great waffle places?

[21:32] PowerchairDude: There is a VA Island that teaches people how
to use SL they should maybe add a video

[21:32] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Perhaps orange. perhaps. It DOES take
special patience and a lot of “people skills” to do the job.

[21:33] Ozma Malibu: one on one mentoring is what works, I think we all agree.
[21:33] Ozma Malibu: and that is also the problem.

[21:33] Orange Planer: And, most people don’t want handholding – they
want to be shown an interface that makes sense right off the bat, and
so they can do things.

[21:33] Ozma Malibu: Oh, well, if that is what you want 🙂

[21:33] Orange Planer: So these days, I show people how to use search,
the map, how to create landmarks, and how to change their avatar.

[21:33] Zinnia Zauber: So people need different solutions to learn to
enter this community.

[21:34] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): I hear the suggestion for mentors or
one on one help from everyone but most seem to think it is not
scalable – what do you think?

[21:34] JenzZa Misfit: you need a legion of pied pipers ( happy
avatars that love SL ) who each take on smallish groups of newcomers
to EXPLAIN and POM POM the important and cool things about being an
avatar. it’s not all about walking or rezzing a prim. THAT .. PLUS an
easier to use interface = growing community

[21:34] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Seems to me that many come here expecting
WOW and find instead, small town America, where they have to actually
spend time learning..

[21:34] Zinnia Zauber: Okay cheerleaders and fun buttons.

[21:34] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): is there an example of this
occurring in RL we can follow? welcome wagons? etc?

[21:34] Sister Abeyante thinks of the “each one-teach one” philosophy
of the Laubach Literacy Movement (USA)

[21:34] JenzZa Misfit: .. course you need to knock out the unsavory
aspects as well .. which will never happen.

[21:34] Zinnia Zauber: I agree, JenzZa

[21:35] CarmenLittleFawn: mentors pam, one on one works but can wear u out

[21:35] Ozma Malibu: yes, each one teach one, exactly right

[21:35] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @CArmen – that is the conclusion
that is usually reached even though most think one on one is best

[21:35] PowerchairDude: lol we bake a pie and bring it over to their
house and welcome them to the community I woudl like to have greaters
for the communities…

[21:35] Zinnia Zauber: Wouldn’t that be cool if everyone fostered someone new?

[21:35] JenzZa Misfit: Gramma TRUE .. about the learning .. but .. its
like the horse and water right ? you cant make him drink .. but you
CAN salt the oats and make him thirsty , yes ? ….

[21:35] Zinnia Zauber: Pay it forward.

[21:35] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): lol Power

[21:35] Ozma Malibu: and making this scalable hasn’t happened. I think
it’s that the personal is so important.

[21:35] Orange Planer: OK, show of hands – how many people here use
the Viewer 3 interface?

[21:36] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I spent 2 years on the old teen grid
working with kids who had been “on their own” there for some time.
They were gratefull for the teaching.

[21:36] JenzZa Misfit: so once someone kind of GETS it and sees a
reason to LEARN .. they willingly learn

[21:36] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): That seems true JenzZa

[21:36] Zinnia Zauber: So, we know people want to learn more, right?

[21:36] PowerchairDude: yes

[21:36] CarmenLittleFawn: to much trouble viewer 3

[21:36] JenzZa Misfit: oh yes .. people are people in RL .. see ? so
if they are motivated .. they act !

[21:36] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I use Viewer 3 ONLY for mesh uploads and
to send things to the marketplace. Otherwise I revert back to Pheonix.

[21:36] Zinnia Zauber: Viewer 3 is great to teach with.

[21:37] PowerchairDude: which one is that?

[21:37] JenzZa Misfit: lol .. I am a developer and would you believe I
am on viewer 1 !! as we speak .. LOL

[21:37] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): I use the most up to date viewer and
sometimes firestorm

[21:37] PowerchairDude: I am using Firefox

[21:37] Orange Planer: I humbly suggest that if more people knew what
the V3 interface looked like, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

[21:37] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[21:37] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I’d belive it jenzZa!

[21:37] Zinnia Zauber: okay

[21:37] PowerchairDude: oops firestorm
[21:37] PowerchairDude: lol

[21:37] CarmenLittleFawn: Singularity here

[21:37] JenzZa Misfit: Orange .. is that good or bad ?

[21:37] Orange Planer: Firestorm has a V3 interface, but it’s optional.

[21:37] JenzZa Misfit: v3?

[21:37] Gentle Heron: Viewer 3 here

[21:37] Zinnia Zauber: so, viewer smuiwer

[21:37] CarmenLittleFawn: some times firestorm

[21:38] Orange Planer: My point is this

[21:38] CarmenLittleFawn: viewer 3 only when forced

[21:38] JenzZa Misfit: oh i have the latest firestorm .. I just rarely use it

[21:38] Zinnia Zauber: The viewers will always change.

[21:38] Orange Planer: Viewer 3 works more like a Windows application;
right-click vertical menu, simplified menu structure, keeps the number
of options down to a dull roar.

[21:38] Gramma Fiddlesticks: of course they will Zinnia!

[21:38] Zinnia Zauber: They will always get better (or worse).

[21:38] Orange Planer: That’s as it should be for any new resident.

[21:39] Zinnia Zauber: New folks will start with what LL gives them to download.

[21:39] Orange Planer: Put your mouse over something, you get an info button.

[21:39] Sister Abeyante: I am thinking that, as far as the
infrastructure component of a viewer (which I agree, is certainly a
fundamental infrastructure!), it needs to Either so easy to learn
ithat ts intuitive… or there is a standardized method to learn the key

[21:39] JenzZa Misfit: when I am doing RendeZvous development testing
.. old viewer 1.23 .. is the most stable of all ..especially when
testing new scripts *shrug*

[21:39] Orange Planer: Yes, but oldbies tend to stick with what they know.
[21:39] Orange Planer: And that means we’re all oldbies… and most of
us are not using V3.

[21:39] Zinnia Zauber: Key Components!

[21:39] Orange Planer: So we’re having the same old discussion.

[21:39] PowerchairDude: what is new with v3? r u missing out if using V1?

[21:39] CarmenLittleFawn: yes sister

[21:39] Orange Planer: Yes, PowerChair.
[21:39] Orange Planer: Development on Viewer 1 stopped a couple years ago.

[21:40] Zinnia Zauber: So, those key things we need to help make
easier to tackle.

[21:40] JenzZa Misfit: I am , Powerchair .. missing out on some
features right ? but not ones I need … so not really
[21:40] JenzZa Misfit: web on a prim / cant see it ..etc

[21:40] Pamala Clift: I am in V3 and have taken the classes for the
new AI construct

[21:40] Orange Planer: Can’t do mesh.

[21:40] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I’ve used several different viewers so
that I can answer questions from my students about where things are.
But my personal use is still 9and prolly will be for a long time) a
viewer 1 style viewer such as Pheonix

[21:40] JenzZa Misfit: or mesh .. * again .. do not need it for my work *

[21:40] Orange Planer: Except that lots of avatars are walking around
in mesh outfits.

[21:40] Zinnia Zauber: Great, that leads into our next goal…
[21:40] Zinnia Zauber: Engaged Discovering of Your Interests and Pursuits

[21:40] Sister Abeyante: RE: key components to learn- that canshift us
away from infrastrcture, to…”education” (another of the components
Pam indicated earlier)

[21:40] Par (parhelion.palou): and mesh saves me a lot of prims in landscaping

[21:40] JenzZa Misfit: but I do not go anywhere .. I am always on my
island working lol

[21:41] Zinnia Zauber: So how you can create and find interesting things here.

[21:41] PowerchairDude: thats good

[21:41] Zinnia Zauber: We use different viewers to do it, but the
world is the same.

[21:41] Gramma Fiddlesticks: People have to be encouraged to go ‘exploring”.

[21:41] CarmenLittleFawn: encouraged to explore yes

[21:41] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): LL has set up the destination guide
for this, but is there another method to develop to get people
somewhere they like fast?

[21:41] Zinnia Zauber: great how do you do that?

[21:42] Ozma Malibu: Is “engaged discovering of interests and
pursuits” motivational enough to get people past the chaos?

[21:42] Zinnia Zauber: Do you hand out Landmarks?

[21:42] Mrs. G.G. Mauer (aunty.lockjaw): Firestorm here. My alt uses
viewer 3 so I am familiar with it

[21:42] Gramma Fiddlesticks: open up the big map, scroll around, look
for a spot and teleport there!

[21:42] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): The destination guide doesn’t seem
to work well for newcomers does it?

[21:42] Zinnia Zauber: Right, Ozma! Finding out their mission!

[21:42] Orange Planer: Sure it does, Pam.

[21:42] Sister Abeyante: @Zinnia- I find most new folks REALLY appreciate LMs.

[21:42] Zinnia Zauber: yes yes

[21:42] Namaara MacMoragh: I post things of interest on our community
calendar for Etopia.

[21:43] PowerchairDude: I was just in the Market Place and was reading
about Mesh lol I would hate to have a mesh suit looking at how some
viewer cant even view Mesh I would hope they get a blured avatar

[21:43] Zinnia Zauber: I like to ask people a million questions and
give suggestions.

[21:43] Gramma Fiddlesticks: LM’s work well. And it’s easy to explain
how they are used. Even to the newest of the new.

[21:43] CarmenLittleFawn: LM, yes and engaged discovering

[21:43] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Orange – so the guide has been
shown to be helpful? is that then for avatars of all ages?

[21:43] Namaara MacMoragh: That allows subscribers and residents to
see things they may not find on the destination guide or SL events

[21:43] Zinnia Zauber: Do you search groups to get ideas?

[21:43] Gramma Fiddlesticks: sometimes Zinnia.

[21:43] CarmenLittleFawn: search yes

[21:43] Pamala Clift: I think people don’t READ much any more.. I
think they want it in Videos

[21:43] Orange Planer: If I’m shown a list of possible destinations
that I can look at by category and is simple to navigate… and I see
new residents appearing at all the places there, then I think it’s
safe to say it works.

[21:44] Sister Abeyante: @ Zinnia- I have never searched groups to get
ideas. But, I have used SEARCH function to find locations.

[21:44] Ozma Malibu: Have people start joining groups right away I think

[21:44] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Maybe there could be an interest
survey you take on their site and it builds a little tour for you? (my
kids did this for me in the makeup store today to find a fragrance!)

[21:44] Zinnia Zauber: When you arrive to a new town, how do you find
a connection?

[21:44] CarmenLittleFawn: yes Orange

[21:44] Gramma Fiddlesticks: explain to people what all those green
dots are on the big map. =))

[21:44] Orange Planer: That’s a harder question, Zinnia. People don’t
know how to SEARCH yet.

[21:44] Sister Abeyante: When I arrive new to a town, I find a tour guide!

[21:44] CarmenLittleFawn: search functions yes

[21:44] Zinnia Zauber: Yes! I like that idea, a survey and then custom guide.

[21:44] Orange Planer: And that’s the failing I see.

[21:44] Zinnia Zauber: Great, Sister!

[21:44] Pamala Clift: I wont take a survey. sigh..

[21:45] Zinnia Zauber: Well, think about Amazon giving you suggestions.

[21:45] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes Sister – or i look for the visitor center!

[21:45] Par (parhelion.palou): Nobody could ever manage to keep a tour
database updated

[21:45] Zinnia Zauber: if you like this sim, you might also like this sim.
[21:45] Zinnia Zauber: people who visited this sim, also like this and
this and this

[21:45] Par (parhelion.palou): Amazon controls its inventory …
nothing in SL is controlled

[21:45] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): It would have to be a tour that
would automatically generate based on questions you answer

[21:45] PowerchairDude: I have found it to be ill programmed lol like
the program was not thinking aabout um the average Joe lol everthing
is like that sometimes

[21:45] Sister Abeyante envisions AI (“Bob the Monkey” of Virtual
Ability fame) who replies to a “What do you like to do?” with a couple
of LMs on that topic

[21:45] Pamala Clift: when coming into a new area, but.. I will take..
when I go into a gaming evenvironment something that defines my
character.. questions and choices typifying your presonality of your like the role play games

[21:46] CarmenLittleFawn: yes Par that is a problem updates sl is moving so fast

[21:46] JenzZa Misfit: What I find about SL to be so different is
this. There really are NOT .. communities of people , neighborhoods,
towns, cities. Its all individuals who own their own land .. large or
small. Unless there is an event going on .. many /most SIMS .. you go
there .. no one there .. even my own. not like RL at all in this

[21:46] PowerchairDude: my text to speech is crashing

[21:46] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Oh please! Let’s NOT do stuff like Facebook! =

[21:46] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Zinnia that reminds me of the
suggestions you see at the end of a blog post you read

[21:46] Orange Planer: Too late, Gramma!

[21:46] PowerchairDude: fixed it

[21:46] JenzZa Misfit: it is the EVENTS and planned GATHERINGS .. like
the one I was at earlier for this event .. the dancing .. the
chatting. THAT is the community .. its not about an area .. it doesnt
matter where it occurs.

[21:46] Orange Planer: It’s part of the “My Second Life” web pages!

[21:46] Gramma Fiddlesticks: as far as profile sgo orange, you are right.

[21:46] Zinnia Zauber: So, if communities that were alike worked
together then the could help build more connections.

[21:47] Gramma Fiddlesticks: we don’t need anpother Facebook. Let them
do their thing and we’ll do SL.

[21:47] JenzZa Misfit: Zinnia ! BINGO !

[21:47] Zinnia Zauber: wow that leads right into our next goal!

[21:47] CarmenLittleFawn: yes Zinnia

[21:47] Zinnia Zauber: Productive Building of Partnerships and
Professional Relationships
[21:47] Zinnia Zauber: Wow, how did that happen?

[21:47] JenzZa Misfit: like Stone Soup !

[21:47] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[21:48] Sister Abeyante: Back in the early days of “do it yourself web
sites” there was a “web ring”- so if you were on a site about one
topic, there was a list of other sites (web rings) on the same topic

[21:48] Ozma Malibu: Aha!

[21:48] Zinnia Zauber: web rings, yes!

[21:48] CarmenLittleFawn: nods

[21:48] Orange Planer: But it has to be kept up by an organization.

[21:48] Zinnia Zauber: how could we do something like that here?

[21:48] Orange Planer: Easily.

[21:48] PowerchairDude: oh no facebook if it is going to be like just
throwing comments at everyone and the end that would suck

[21:48] JenzZa Misfit: Zinnia ! cuz .. youre wearing your ‘ connect
the dots ‘ HUD .. right ?

[21:48] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): perhaps there is a tools someone
coudl create in SL to allow people to input their site if it is
related and then others can access it to get similar sites

[21:48] Sister Abeyante smiles at Orange the Programme…

[21:49] Orange Planer: Some group creates an organizational structure
that goes around and asks for people to be part of it.

[21:49] Zinnia Zauber: I am!

[21:49] JenzZa Misfit: OR .. PAM .. heres an idea : just a webpage of
some sort …..
[21:49] JenzZa Misfit: think outside the prim !

[21:49] Zinnia Zauber: there you go

[21:49] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes those are all great suggestions!

[21:49] JenzZa Misfit: a webpage ::: where SLURLS and pix and descriptions etc

[21:49] Par (parhelion.palou): Even if LL created the tool and
advertised on their site, the majority of people in SL would never
know about it. There’s no mass media.

[21:49] Orange Planer: Then that organizational group sets up
location(s) in SL where people can go to choose different topics,
which gives them info to web pages/LMs of places.
[21:50] Orange Planer: That organization has to keep up the
information so it’s accurate.

[21:50] PowerchairDude: I web ring

[21:50] JenzZa Misfit: LL is not going to create tools for us .. lol
.. trust me on this

[21:50] PowerchairDude: I would like to have a SL ring

[21:50] Zinnia Zauber: We need to do it ourself!

[21:50] Orange Planer: Or… each group that decides to participate is
asked to self-manage….

[21:50] Par (parhelion.palou): A resident created tool will only reach
a few percent of SL

[21:50] Orange Planer: And is monitored for updates, if necessary.


[21:50] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[21:50] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[21:51] Sister Abeyante: @ Par- unless it is so good it “goes viral” LOL

[21:51] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): that was so funny i lost the thought i had lol

[21:51] Zinnia Zauber: Well, so do you guys believe that part of
planning a community is to lead by example?

[21:51] Gentle Heron: I can say that updating a list is really really
hard work. Virtual Ability maintains the Path of Support– a virtual
visual demonstration of the peer support systems available in SL. Eme
and her crew have identified over 120 of them… but figuring out
which ones are really valid, accurate, active… that’s so hard!

[21:51] CarmenLittleFawn: yes

[21:51] Par (parhelion.palou): There’s no way for anything to go viral
in SL … it’s a group of thousands of independent groups who don’t
know other groups exist.

[21:52] Gramma Fiddlesticks: You might just be surprised at how
information like that can spread though the various groups Par. Just
look at what happened this time last year when the news went around
abouthe mass ejection of members of the Builders Brewery group.

[21:52] JenzZa Misfit: exactly Parhelion

[21:52] Par (parhelion.palou): Sorry, never heard of that

[21:52] Zinnia Zauber: So, what are the things we can do. On our own
to start building these connections.

[21:52] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Its almost like we need a type of
chamber of commerce

[21:52] Ozma Malibu: Are you organizing the structure? Are you saying
it’s us? Because if it’s people, then things don’t have to be so

[21:52] Zinnia Zauber: A chamber of awesomeness!

[21:52] Orange Planer: Or….

[21:52] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[21:52] Pamala Clift: yeah I volunteered to be ejected first. and that
crashed the

[21:52] Lucinda Lavender: :))

[21:53] CarmenLittleFawn: yes like the chamber idea Pam

[21:53] Zinnia Zauber: So, does this seem overwhelming?

[21:53] Orange Planer: We set up a system that people modify
themselves, and we DON’T monitor it.

[21:53] Gramma Fiddlesticks: 17,000 people were ejcted from the BB
group by a membership bot script that went awry. within a week
thousands of those people had rejoined the group becuase of other
groups letting their members know the problem happened.

[21:53] Orange Planer: Let there be dead links.

[21:53] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): is that a group then that could be
elected by the grid? or is that too “organized” for what we want?

[21:53] JayR Cela: @ everyone listening / untill the bone headed folks
at LL embrace Hper-Grid and Open Sim / all this talk is a waste of
time / with in a few years SL will be just like AOL / *GONE Like The
WInd * / *POOF!!* 🙁

[21:53] Zinnia Zauber: that is great Gramma!

[21:53] PowerchairDude: a library with a SL ring would be nice

[21:53] Ozma Malibu: It’s not overwhelming if we remember the “each
one teach one” idea

[21:53] JenzZa Misfit: what does : by the grid mean ?
[21:53] JenzZa Misfit: you mean ALL of SL ?
[21:53] JenzZa Misfit: that cant be done. period.

[21:54] Zinnia Zauber: great Ozma

[21:54] Orange Planer: JayR – you doomsayers have been saying that for years.

[21:54] Par (parhelion.palou): Copyright problems keep SL away from
the hypergrid

[21:54] Orange Planer: And there are OTHER issues with a hypergrid –
like who owns your inventory?

[21:54] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @JenzZa – it could be by whoever
wants to vote in SL

[21:54] JenzZa Misfit: SL is heading for the Steam portal … think it
will be around for a long … LONG time 🙂

[21:54] Gramma Fiddlesticks: copyright problems are an issue with all
the girds from what I can see Par. =

[21:55] Par (parhelion.palou): That’s right … no agreed way to
transfer between them while respecting copyright

[21:55] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @JayR whatever we do here is a
learning experience that can translate to any other virtual setting

[21:55] Gramma Fiddlesticks: *grids

[21:55] Par (parhelion.palou): LL is big enough to be sued … the
others aren’t … yet

[21:55] JenzZa Misfit: and how would you get that word out there Pam ?
there is no way to inform all of SL unless you want to pay 1500 US for
a 1 time log in screen msg by LL

[21:55] Ozma Malibu: An election? Interesting idea.

[21:55] Zinnia Zauber: Do you believe that one person can make a difference?

[21:55] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I do Zinnia.

[21:56] Par (parhelion.palou): To a community, yes

[21:56] PowerchairDude: Did links would be just reported by the users
which will sent to the person in charge of the group they are in

[21:56] Zinnia Zauber: Yay!

[21:56] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): PR has come up a few times – is that
another goal to look at? how can we establish a communication
structure that reaches the most people in SL?

[21:56] Orange Planer: time for bed. Tomorrow’s another day.

[21:56] PowerchairDude: I would also like to see a system that tells u
the last day that link was used

[21:56] Zinnia Zauber: Take care, Orange.

[21:56] Gramma Fiddlesticks: G’night orange. =)

[21:56] CarmenLittleFawn: nite orange

[21:56] Ozma Malibu: clearly one person can make a difference
especially when other people take what the first person has taught,
change it perhaps, send it on

[21:56] Zinnia Zauber: Excellent Ozma!

[21:57] Sister Abeyante: Is there a HUD of some sort that one can
easily load LMs into? Because, if so, we could get that into the SL
Market place (free) and disseminate it person to person, and then
invite people and groups to “load” it with a few themed LMS that ar
etheir faves.

[21:57] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): @Good suggestion Sister

[21:57] Pamala Clift: I as well must say good night all.. these
graveyard shifts are zapping any clear thoughts I could contribute

[21:57] Sister Abeyante: Replicating the “empty” hud would allow folks
to create their own selections, and have their, or their groups name
on it.

[21:57] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Ozma “Paying Forward” does work. But it’s
a ‘skill” that has to be taught and encouraged to others.

[21:57] CarmenLittleFawn: yes very good idea

[21:57] PowerchairDude: yes

[21:57] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes, it is late here too! I think we
will be wrapping up for tonight

[21:57] Zinnia Zauber: These are amazing ideas!

[21:58] CarmenLittleFawn: night Pamala

[21:58] PowerchairDude: VA has a HUD

[21:58] Zinnia Zauber: We have so much to share!

[21:58] Gentle Heron: Lots of HUDs like that… art museums have one,
hunts have them…..

[21:58] Ozma Malibu: In this case we’d be paying forward the concept
of the people powered infrastructure

[21:58] Sister Abeyante: Ok… so the structure or mechanism is out there.

[21:58] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Indeed!

[21:58] Zinnia Zauber: We have to be the leaders of what can be.

[21:58] Mrs. G.G. Mauer (aunty.lockjaw): wants a power shopping hud

[21:58] CarmenLittleFawn: mmhmm

[21:58] Gentle Heron: Gramma, maybe that’s the solution to changing
ALL of our communities, RL and SL… teach “paying it forward” as a
moral imperative.

[21:58] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Make sure to connect with each other
and keep working on community! And if you want to follow the plan’s
progress it will be on the website
thanks for your input and ideas and time!

[21:58] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, I think so.

[21:58] Sister Abeyante: It would then be a “people task” to make the
huds themed and fun to distribute. “Here’s your collection of my
favorite places to fly airplanes!”

[21:59] Gramma Fiddlesticks: I whole heartedly agree Gentle. But I
also know it doens’t happen overnight. It has to be said again and
again and again.

[21:59] Zinnia Zauber: It encourages responsibility and respect when
you Pay it Forward.

[21:59] Gramma Fiddlesticks: yes Zinnia!

[21:59] Dancers Yao: @pam…yes I think that is a good goal…!

[22:00] Ozma Malibu: I love it the themed huds, but I think we need to
start with the simplest idea possible. I don’t know what that idea
would be though.

[22:00] Zinnia Zauber: Yes! Dancers! Yes!

[22:00] CarmenLittleFawn: yes

[22:00] Gramma Fiddlesticks: and you all may think I’m naive, but the
good old “Golden Rule” also still works!

[22:00] Zinnia Zauber: right

[22:00] CarmenLittleFawn: yes it does

[22:00] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): It is important to support your
fellow man – one kind word or deed can sometimes make a huge
difference to someone

[22:01] Zinnia Zauber: yes!

[22:01] Gramma Fiddlesticks: smile to a stranger and see!

[22:01] Dancers Yao: agree…

[22:01] JenzZa Misfit: just sayin … I knew a group that tried that
HUD idea once .. the pass it on .. add to it .. pass it on idea .. it
ended up loaded with adult content LMs and passed around for 2 years
and all pointed back at the original creators of the idea

[22:01] JayR Cela: Untill LL can actually fit more that 40 or so
avatars conferrable y onto a grid at one time / increase prim count /
and finally fix cross border sim crossings it’s like whipping a
deaying horse

[22:01] Zinnia Zauber: How can we end this workshop with a great set
of ideas to help push forward on our goals?

[22:01] Ozma Malibu: how could the idea of paying it forward be linked
to the concept of an infrastructure made up of likeminded groups?

[22:01] Gramma Fiddlesticks: = that’s sad JenzZa, =

[22:02] Par (parhelion.palou): most of SL rarely sees 5 people on a
region at once

[22:02] JenzZa Misfit: just be careful what you do .. this is SL ..
not RL .. and it is huge and full of ‘ everyone ‘

[22:02] Ozma Malibu: How can we inform people in SL of what we want to do?

[22:02] Zinnia Zauber: Some of the things we have discussed take
infrastructure and it sounds like communication is a big part of it.

[22:03] PowerchairDude: I’s there a LM Hud that can only be approved
of by these orgs, and they can receive ideas and add those later

[22:03] Ozma Malibu: Communication is the virtual infrastructure

[22:03] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): I think it could be helpful if
people went back to their communities and discussed if they thought a
centralized group would be helpful

[22:03] Par (parhelion.palou): We can’t inform everyone in SL of
something. Nobody can.

[22:03] Zinnia Zauber: Wonderful!

[22:03] Ozma Malibu: We can’t inform everyone, but some ways of
letting people know may work better than others.

[22:03] PowerchairDude: soo true

[22:03] Zinnia Zauber: We need to spread the word and turn it into action!

[22:03] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): And if people could explore the idea
of a central method of communication that could reach out to most of

[22:04] Gramma Fiddlesticks: we can’t in one day par. But over time we
can reach a huge percentage of them.

[22:04] Zinnia Zauber: yes, I think that is worth us all looking for.

[22:04] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): we could all pledge to write one
blog post exploring one of the ideas discussed here today

[22:04] Zinnia Zauber: Great idea!

[22:04] Ozma Malibu: Pam seriously that is a good idea. Because we
would all reach different communities.

[22:04] PowerchairDude: will I would like a joint community HUD the end for now

[22:04] Gramma Fiddlesticks: will there be a transcript of this
meeting posted soemwhere??

[22:05] Zinnia Zauber: Right! We need to find ways to unite.

[22:05] Gentle Heron: That’s the start, Gramma!

[22:05] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, I will post it on the Nonprofit Commons blog

[22:05] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): yes and we would get even more input
from comments on the posts

[22:05] Ozma Malibu: I think we need to think of solutions that we can
arrange, by ourselves.

[22:05] Zinnia Zauber:

[22:05] JenzZa Misfit: you would be better served I think to have your
‘ go to for info ‘ place be outside of SL .. a website .. and promote
THAT in SL … that is what is familiar to all people who want to be
avatars .. getting info on the very web itself.

[22:05] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Thanks. I don’t blog myself, but I know
folks who do and if I can point them to a place to read, it will help
a lot.

[22:06] Zinnia Zauber: wonderful!

[22:06] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Good idea Gramma

[22:06] Zinnia Zauber: I am so pleased you all joined us today!

[22:06] Ozma Malibu: I don’t blog either, but I have been thinking
“blog post” all night.

[22:06] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes thanks to everyone!

[22:06] Zinnia Zauber: I want to thank Pam for sharing her knowhow
about community planning!

[22:06] Dancers Yao: a central communication is important….like
today in LA the traditional news on TV had everyone watching for the
Endeavor space shuttle to land…so maybe we can use the virtual TV on
the Web somehow?

[22:06] Zinnia Zauber: And, I want to thank YOU!

[22:06] CarmenLittleFawn: yes 🙂

[22:06] Ozma Malibu: So what is the next step?

[22:06] Zinnia Zauber: You all have wonderful ideas!

[22:07] Namaara MacMoragh: thank you … and everyone for your great
input in the conversation

[22:07] Zinnia Zauber: You can make the difference in the world.

[22:07] Dancers Yao: yes thank you Pam and Zinnia

[22:07] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s agree to keep making plans to meet again
and share how we can move forward.

[22:07] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Ozma – myself and others working on
the plan will continue to meet with communities in SL.

[22:07] Ozma Malibu: yes thank you

[22:07] Zinnia Zauber: In the meantime, Pay it Forward!

[22:07] JenzZa Misfit: see ? and here in SL .. we CAN all talk at once
! and we DID ! and it works 🙂 you cant do that in RL .. why ? cuz
youre not typing in RL .. youre talking 🙂

[22:07] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[22:07] PowerchairDude: it was cool

[22:07] Gramma Fiddlesticks: something we all should keep in mind,
“social change” (and I think that is what we are talking about here)
takes time. It won’t happen in a day. But we have to begin somewhere
or it will never happen.

[22:07] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Eventually we will take what we have
heard and the input on the surveys online and develop a plan then put
it out for everyone’s reveiw

[22:08] Zinnia Zauber: Please remember that you are all welcome to all
our Nonprofit Commons Meetings!

[22:08] CarmenLittleFawn: ty Zinnia

[22:08] Zinnia Zauber: Please get the gift on top of the big cupcake
to get info about the Nonprofit Commons.

[22:08] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, that would be great Pam!

[22:08] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): If anyone wants to work on the plan
just IM me – we can use volunteers for meetings or working on the
actual plan!

[22:09] JenzZa Misfit: I remember … 6 years ago at a Linden Town
Hall meeting .. I spoke up and said : someday .. educators and non
profs and who knows what all .. will be in SL .. and figure out how to
use it for the future and for the good ! and all the porn dorks
laughed at me and called me nuts.
[22:09] JenzZa Misfit: *heh*
[22:09] JenzZa Misfit: whos nutty now ?

[22:09] Zinnia Zauber: Please remember to update your profiles, help
people, and make new friends to connect the dots!

[22:09] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): 🙂

[22:09] Gramma Fiddlesticks: Yes JenzZa! =))

[22:09] Par (parhelion.palou): At least there are some nonprofits and
educational groups left

[22:09] Gramma Fiddlesticks: thanks for having this meeting Zinnia and
pam. And thanks for allowing me to prattle on. =)

[22:09] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you all for joining us! And, like I
always say… you can’t have community without UNITY!

[22:09] Gentle Heron: And new ones coming in, Par!

[22:10] JenzZa Misfit: ( p.s. all those porn dorks bought my
RendeZvous eventually so they could walk and hold hands * double heh*)

[22:10] Zinnia Zauber: I love the prattle!

[22:10] Gramma Fiddlesticks: goodnight all! It’s 1am for me!

[22:10] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[22:10] CarmenLittleFawn: night 🙂

[22:10] Zinnia Zauber: Good night and please take care!

[22:11] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you for being part of this!

[22:11] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Good night everyone! 🙂

[22:11] Zinnia Zauber: Some great ideas for our goals have been delivered!

[22:11] JenzZa Misfit: thanks everyone .. this was so interesting .. i
hope you all figure it out 🙂

[22:11] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Pam!

[22:11] CarmenLittleFawn: night pam

[22:11] Brena Benoir: Good night to all leaving

[22:11] Zinnia Zauber: You will be part of it JenzZa!

[22:11] CarmenLittleFawn: Night everybody, tc 🙂

[22:11] Brena Benoir: thanks for joining us!

[22:11] JenzZa Misfit: p.s you all rock for your volunteerism etc 🙂 I
am a ruthless capitalist entrepeneur 🙂

[22:11] JenzZa Misfit: I will ? lol

[22:12] Gentle Heron: Thanks Pam and Zinnia for organizing this. And
thanks to everyone who participated and thought about these important

[22:12] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): lol

[22:12] Dancers Yao: good night…have good dreams

[22:12] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Thanks so much Zinnia!

[22:12] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Gentle! You know how to support
community and love all the ideas!

[22:12] Sister Abeyante: Excellent discussion, indeed.

[22:13] Zinnia Zauber: Yes!
[22:13] Zinnia Zauber: I love it!
[22:13] Zinnia Zauber: So many super ideas and from awesome folks!

[22:14] Pam Broviak (pam.renoir): Yes thanks Gentle so much for
participating – you have an awesome community!

– End of Line –

Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Transcript of August 10 Nonprofit Commons Meeting – Behind the Scenes at IDRAC2012 with Gentle Heron of Virtual Ability, Inc.

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting
August 10, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST
Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater

8:30 AM Introductions
8:40 AM TechSoup Announcements
8:45 AM Mentors Central
9:55 “Behind the Scenes at IDRAC2012” with Gentle Heron and iSkye Silverweb Bond of Virtual Ability, Inc.
9:30 AM Open Mic / Announcements

– Unabridged Transcript –


[08:28] Zinnia Zauber: Good morning!

[08:28] Gentle Heron waves at all those brave pioneers who managed to
get in this morning.

[08:29] Zinnia Zauber: Good to see everyone!
[08:29] Zinnia Zauber: Folks are having trouble getting inworld.
[08:29] Zinnia Zauber: So we are happy you made it!

[08:29] bulaklak: Thanks, Zinnia. I got bumped out.

[08:29] Zinnia Zauber: yeah
[08:29] Zinnia Zauber: it happens to the best of us.

[08:29] bulaklak: Seeing the egg bodies again hehe

[08:30] Buffy Beale: must be my lucky day today

[08:30] Zinnia Zauber: I am trying out my new mesh dress I made.
[08:30] Zinnia Zauber: So, I might be a mess to some people.

[08:30] Sister Abeyante: A mess or a mesh to some people. hehe

[08:30] Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): Does Firestorm show Mesh Ok?

[08:31] Gentle Heron: Firestorm should.

[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome to the Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting
sponsored by TechSoup!

[08:32] Gentle Heron: iSkye still can’t log in, but it looks like we
hve an audience!

[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: I am Zinnia Zauber and thrilled to have you here today!

[08:32] Oronoque Westland: iSkye was here for a mere second than offline again

[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: Let me share the agenda for today.
[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: AGENDA

8:30 AM Introductions

8:40 AM TechSoup Announcements

8:45 AM Mentors Central

9:55 “Behind the Scenes at IDRAC2012” with Gentle Heron and iSkye
Silverweb Bond of Virtual Ability, Inc.

9:30 AM Open Mic / Announcements
[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: Hopefully iSkye will make it in.
[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s start with Introductions!
[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: Our transcripts are made public, just so you know.

[08:33] HB Eternal: Harold W Becker, The Love Foundation, Florida, @lovefoundation

[08:33] Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Bridges for Women, Victoria BC Canada, @bridges4women

[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: Please type into the text chat your real life
name, organization, physical location, URL , and twitter handle.

[08:33] Sister Abeyante: Sister Patrice Colletti, SDS Milwaukee, WI
*** @SisterAbeyante ***
@TechTips4Usds *** as well as a
volunteer with Virtual Ability, Inc.

[08:33] Buffy Beale: heh heh HB

[08:34] Zotarah Shepherd: BEACH College, Santa Rosa, CA

[08:34] Gentle Heron: Virtual Ability, Inc.
Blog about IDRAC
Pictures from IDRAC

[08:34] Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): Katie Vizenor,
Washington DC, PhD student Anthropology and Senior Researcher American
Foundation for the Blind PUblic Policy Office

[08:34] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett, Elder Voices, Los Angeles, CA
Health Care and Human Rights

[08:34] Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, City
University of New York (still not a good twitterer or is it not a

[08:34] alebez: Ale Bezdikian, TechSoup Global, SF, Ca, @TechSoup, @alebez

[08:34] Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): @kvizenor

[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond, Sequim Humanities
and Arts Alliance, Sequim, Olympic Peninsula, Washington. @renneemiko

[08:34] bulaklak: Michael DeLong, TechSoup Global, San Francisco, CA,, @MichaelDeLongSF @TechSoup

[08:35] Adalace Jewell: Corine Van Hellemont, RoSa Library Brussels,
Belgium @adalace

[08:35] Ozma Malibu: Sandy Andrews, Floaters Org, tech outreach in AZ,
Mexico and On the Road, @ozma

[08:35] Glitteractica Cookie: Susan Tenby, Online Community and Social
Media Director, TechSoup Global SF, CA USA @suzboop @techsoup @npsl

[08:35] Zinnia Zauber: Great!
[08:35] Zinnia Zauber: Let me share some links too.
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: Remember, you are welcome to introduce yourself
throughout the meeting.
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: Please don’t be shy.
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with the
Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons Blog:




Google Group:

Google Calendar:
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: About TechSoup the sponsors of the Nonprofit Commons:
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: Join us inworld:

NPC Weekly Meeting on Fridays, 8:30 – 10 AM SLT Plush Amphitheater,
Plush Nonprofit Commons (91,127,26)

NPC Mentors Meeting: Fridays, 10:10 – 11 AM SLT Plush Amphitheater,
Plush Nonprofit Commons (91,127,26)

Wharf Ratz Tuesday Night Extraordinary Dance Extravaganza, Every
Tuesday 7 – 9 PM SLT Preferred Family Healthcare on Aloft, Aloft
Nonprofit Commons (168,223,22)

CommonGround – Color Themed Monthly Networking Event on 3rd Thursday,
5 – 7 PM SLT CommonGround on Aloft, Aloft Nonprofit Commons (59,68,25)

[08:36] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): Magic Pathfinder
(any1.gynoid), Faculty at New Citizens Inc (NCI), Teaching hands-on
Artificial Intelligence and Pathfinding in Second Life – More Info: – FYI Pathfinding is EVERYWHERE in
SL! Now!

[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[08:37] Sister Abeyante: @Zinnia- are all those links on a poster
someplace here at NPC? Those are great resources.

[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: I am working on a new notecard with them.

[08:37] Buffy Beale: nice one a1 🙂

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: They are listed on the board behind me.

[08:38] Sister Abeyante: Ah- ha… so much for rezzing well. hehe Sorry

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: I will pass out the notecard I have via the
group notices. Great idea Sister.

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: So, it sounds like some of our NPC Peeps are
struggling to get inworld.

[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: And, we are happy you all are with us!
[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: You made it!
[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Yay!

TechSoup Announcements

[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Okay TechSoup Announcements!

[08:40] bulaklak: Hello, folks!

[08:40] Buffy Beale: yay bulaklak!

[08:40] bulaklak: So first up I want to call attention to a recent
article on the Stanford Social Innovation Review by our very own
Shettal Singh
[08:40] bulaklak: Oops, Sheetal
[08:41] bulaklak: She looks at the movement around hackathons and
other direct action, civic oriented problem solving methods and how
traditionally structured nonprofits might benefit from adopting some
of those models
[08:42] bulaklak: It’s an interesting read, and there is a great
conversation happening in the comments section. Please feel free to
add to it if you have something to say about the topic.
[08:42] bulaklak:
[08:43] bulaklak: And speaking of nonprofits working with these types
of movements, TechSoup hosted the MozillaIgnite Idea Jam last night
and it was a pretty fantastic event
[08:43] bulaklak: They teamed up with ZeroDivide to ask “What if the
internet had no limits?”
[08:43] bulaklak: You can see some of the action on the hashtag #usignite
[08:44] bulaklak: And please check out the blog on TechSoup for some
updates later today from our blogger Susan Chavez
[08:44] bulaklak:

[08:44] Glitteractica Cookie: there will be more real-time updates on
our team wiki

[08:44] bulaklak: There were five teams separated along different
verticals such as health and green tech.
[08:45] bulaklak: And some of the solutions they came up with were
quite interesting.
[08:45] bulaklak: Susan Chavez will link the wiki notes from the blog
entry I posted upthread and a full recap with video from Alebez will
come by some time next week so stay tuned!
[08:46] bulaklak: Lastly, we have two excellent events next week
[08:46] bulaklak: On Wednesday, August 15 we are producing the next
episode of NPLIVE around the topic of social media policy and
workiplace online privacy
[08:46] bulaklak: That is at 11am PT and you can register for that here
[08:47] bulaklak:

[08:47] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): <– dreads this part of the
meeting… because I can never make these times… Suggestion: Could
you announce newly posted content of the webinars we just missed>>>

[08:47] bulaklak: And then on Thursday, August 16 we have a webinar
with our partner Acteva that will teach you how to manage events with
ease — everything from registration lists to logistics
[08:48] bulaklak: Great point, Magic. All of these events are recapped
and archived.

[08:48] Glitteractica Cookie: That is a great suggestion and we
archive all of our webinars

[08:48] bulaklak: And going forward I will make sure to post the
archive links the following week.
[08:48] bulaklak: Thanks for the suggestion!

[08:48] Glitteractica Cookie: I have an update
[08:48] Glitteractica Cookie: I’m hiring
[08:48] Glitteractica Cookie: We (our team) are looking for another team member)

[08:49] Buffy Beale: do they have to live in San Francisco?

[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: This is an online/offline/on-the-ground
events producer

[08:49] Sarvana Haalan: Hello, Sally S Cherry, Baltimore, Md is back
in town . 🙂

[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: yes, it’s a local position to SF, due to
the local in-house events part

[08:49] Buffy Beale: ok thanks

[08:49] Coughran Mayo: how retro!

[08:49] bulaklak: Let me just post the link to the events webinar real
quick and add that if you would like this event to be live
transcribed, please request that 72 hours in advance. More info at the

[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: but if you knw anyone in the SF bay
area, plz tell them to go to and look for the
events producer job

[08:50] Zinnia Zauber: Great!
[08:50] Zinnia Zauber: More Techsoup news?

[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: coughran… there are online and
in-house events, so NOT retro

[08:50] alebez: yes me!

[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: the person would be responsible for
doing mixed reality, for example
[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: we need someone with ability to run
things like speakers and ability to stream, but also is comfortable
producing and hosting webinars

[08:51] Coughran Mayo offfers Glitter a sense of humor

[08:51] Eme Capalini laughs

[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: Glitter accepts and counters with a HUGE WINK

[08:51] BELOVEDROX: NSIP has a webinar on n Accessible Transportation
on 8.15.2012

[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: (ahem)

[08:52] bulaklak: lolz

[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: Alebez, go for it

[08:52] Zinnia Zauber: Please

[08:52] alebez: thanks
[08:53] alebez: i’d just like to remind everyone here at the NPC to
share stories of impact into the community. my colleague trichetriche
and team are working hard at collecting amazing stories from all
around the world to put up on TechSoup Global Local Impact Map. We
would truly love to represent all the wonderful, innovative work done
here and in your orgs. Share your story with

[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you alebez!

[08:54] alebez: of course
[08:54] alebez: we’d love for more

[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: That is a perfect lead into our next part of the meeting!

Mentor Central

[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: Mentor Central!
[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: So, we have a few things to share today!
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: As ale mentioned, stories….
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: We have been creating stories here at NPC.
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: Nonprofit Commons – “Wishes Granted: Stories of
Positive Impact” These huge books tell real life fairy tales.
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: The stories are about how nonprofit
organizations have had an encouraging and constructive influence on
the lives of others. Inside the “fairy tale” books are insightful
notecards, landmarks, and gifts from the unique nonprofits.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: Discover there is an opportunity, as
individuals and as a community, to impact the lives of people who join
us in the virtual world and those we support in the physical world
every day, many of whom do not even log in to Second Life.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: How many of you had a book created to be part
of Wishes Granted?

[08:56] Dancers Yao: Elder Voices has appreciated sharing this story
of Kasuku Magic..thanks to Zinnia

[08:57] Buffy Beale: Bridges for Woman have

[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: You are more than welcome, Dancers!
[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: This is an ongoing project to share our stories.
[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: They could be for the local impact map

[08:58] Eme Capalini: Is this what you had at the SL Birthday celebration?

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Please think about sharing them there.
[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, Eme!
[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: And, that is the perfect lead into the next bit!

[08:58] Eme Capalini: Oh wonderful

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you, Eme!

[08:59] Eme Capalini: I saw the VAI one, any chance we can update it?

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: We are going to celebrate the Nonprofit Commons Birthday!

[08:59] Sarvana Haalan: I talked about the exitence of “Stories of
Positive Impact” at a recent conference

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: We have picked Sept 21 as a day to celebrate!

[08:59] Sarvana Haalan: *existence

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: And, we want to create more books for the event!
[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: So, please contact me directly about having a
book made for your org or group.

[09:00] Sarvana Haalan: awesome way to share the stories

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: I bet you have a wonderful fairy tale to tell.
[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you, Sar!

[09:00] Sarvana Haalan: 🙂

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: Also, if you want to be on the team for the
birthday celebration please contact the Mentors.
[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: Anyone want to add to this?

[09:01] Sarvana Haalan: Is this news time? 🙂

[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: (we need teams of volunteers from all timezones)
[09:01] Sarvana Haalan: I will volunteer to help

[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: no, not open mic
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: Buffy is taking names!

[09:02] Buffy Beale: yes please let me know if you’d like to be part
of this exciting team

[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, more on this later and please Stories of
Positive Impact!
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you everyone for your support!

[09:03] Buffy Beale: thanks Sar you’re on the list 🙂

[09:03] Sarvana Haalan: cool

[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: Okay

[09:03] Sarvana Haalan: missed u guys… RL has been busy

“Behind the Scenes at IDRAC2012” with Gentle Heron and iSkye Silverweb Bond of Virtual Ability, Inc
[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: Gentle, please join me up front.
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[09:04] Gentle Heron: Hi everybody.
[09:04] Gentle Heron: I had planned to present today with my colleague
iSkye Silverweb.
[09:04] Gentle Heron: She’s still having trouble signing in, so I’ll
do my best to move ahead through our presentation. Please forgive me
if this isn’t as smooth as we had planned it to be.
[09:04] Gentle Heron: Can everyone see the slides, or do we need to
ask Zinnia to move the books?

[09:04] Buffy Beale: yay Gentle and aww too bad about iSky

[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: can you see?

[09:04] Sarvana Haalan: Woot, woot for Gentle!!

[09:04] Namaara MacMoragh: (applause) Yay Gentle!!

[09:04] Eme Capalini: She’s trying

[09:04] Buffy Beale: I can see ok yes

[09:05] Gentle Heron: Thank you all…. can everyone see the slides?
[09:05] Gentle Heron: Today we’re going to take you behind the scenes
of our recent IDRAC2012 Conference, that we held last weekend, August
3 and 4.
[09:05] Gentle Heron: We’ve had several other conferences at Virtual
Ability, so putting on a conference was not new to us, but last year
was the first year for something bigger.
[09:05] Gentle Heron: Virtual Ability’s corporate mission is to “to
enable people with a wide range of disabilities by providing a
supporting environment for them to enter and thrive in online virtual
[09:06] Gentle Heron: Within that mission, we provide lots of
information and advocacy for our community members, as well as doing
outreach on the importance of disability issues to the general
population in virtual worlds.
[09:06] Gentle Heron: For several years, we put on an annual ADA Day
celebration of the signing of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
which is landmark legislation in the history of accessibility and
disability rights. This yearly event was our large production as a
[09:07] Gentle Heron: But after a few years of celebrating ADA Day, we
finally realized that in SL we live in an international environment,
and we decided to broaden our perspective. Last year was our first
International Disability Rights Affirmation Conference, IDRAC2011.
[09:07] Gentle Heron: In 2011, we had panelists from all over the
world, and speakers from countries in Europe and Asia. It was an
international effort among the presenters, but the behind the scenes
work was mainly Gentle and iSkye. Boy did we learn!

[09:07] old memories (oldmemories): hi
[09:07] old memories (oldmemories): iam sam from egypt

[09:07] Gentle Heron: ***
[09:07] Gentle Heron: We found out that scheduling presenters back to
back was NOT a good idea. We really need time between, for takedown
and setup, and generally making sure that each presenter has time to
get ready.

[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Old memories, could you please sit with us not
in the front.

[09:08] Gentle Heron: (hello Sam from Egypt. Please take a seat)

[09:08] old memories (oldmemories): ok iam sorry

[09:08] Gentle Heron: And best of all, we realized that if we
delegated tasks, things actually went better than if we tried to do
all the work ourselves. Since we’re here to talk about how this year’s
conference came about, let’s begin at the beginning, which was
choosing a date.

[09:08] old memories (oldmemories): but were i can sit

[09:08] Zinnia Zauber: You are welcome to join us, just that Gentle is

[09:08] Gentle Heron: When it was an ADA Day Celebration, it was easy!
The ADA was signed on July 26, 1990.

[09:08] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[09:08] Gentle Heron: So we put the ADA Day Celebration on the weekend
nearest to July 26.

[09:09] old memories (oldmemories): ok

[09:09] Gentle Heron: Why did we choose a weekend? It worked best both
for our presenters and our audiences, who we drew from folks already
in Second Life.
[09:09] Gentle Heron: But now, detaching the event from that specific
date gave us a little freedom, but only a little.
[09:09] Gentle Heron: Now we had to determine dates that did not
conflict with other major SL events, or with our VAI officers’
combined personal schedules.
[09:09] Gentle Heron: What’s more, as we opened up our thinking to
having presenters from outside Second Life, we realized that many
would only be available on a weekday.
[09:09] Gentle Heron: That meant we were scheduling now for Friday and
Saturday. We also realized we would need some time before the
conference to provide orientation for these presenters, as it would be
their first time in Second Life, let alone giving a presentation.
[09:10] Gentle Heron: Inworld presentations are done differently to
those in RL, as I’m sure many of you know.
[09:10] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:10] Gentle Heron: I think I was the one who figured we ought to
have a theme.

[09:10] old memories (oldmemories): iam just escaped from my life my
country is not in stability case these days

[09:10] Gentle Heron: Themes need to be narrow enough to give
direction as to which presenters to invite, yet also broad enough to
allow us to invite the presenters we are interested in hearing from.
[09:10] Gentle Heron: The first year of the new expanded conference,
our theme, more or less, was about the conference title: International
Disability Rights. That one was easy and obvious. But what to do for
our second year?
[09:10] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:11] Gentle Heron: I had recently attended the annual conference of
the Society for Disability Studies and had been impressed by a couple
of presenters who talked about how people with disabilities integrated
into their local communities.
[09:11] Gentle Heron: I knew that was an interest area of our inworld
community members.
[09:11] Gentle Heron: So I suggested that our theme for this year be:
A Community of Communities, recognizing that we all are members of
numerous interlocking communities. That worked out well, as we began
to invite presenters.
[09:11] Second Life: Items successfully shared.
[09:11] Gentle Heron: We knew that if we wanted to expand our audience
to not only be wider within Second Life, but potentially also bring in
audience members from outside, we needed to also broaden our list of
[09:11] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:12] Gentle Heron: We knew it was unlikely that all the presenters
we invited would accept our invitation, so we invited more than we
[09:12] Gentle Heron: I don’t know what we would do if they all
accepted – I guess we would have to expand the conference!

[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: 🙂

[09:12] Gentle Heron: Inviting and scheduling involves a lot of record
keeping. We used Google Documents to create a spreadsheet and kept
track of the presenters we invited, who accepted, who said no (and
those who said, “No, but please invite me next year”).
[09:12] Gentle Heron: ***
[09:12] Gentle Heron: We included entries for keeping track of the
presenters who needed orientation and training in basic inworld
presentation skills and the use of presentation materials.
[09:13] Gentle Heron: We’re truly pleased to say that nearly half of
the presenters at IDRAC 2012 were newcomers to Second Life, and we’re
gratified that they had a very positive experience, despite some
[09:13] Gentle Heron: We created another spreadsheet to include
specific information about the presenters – blurbs, bios, and so

[09:13] Namaara MacMoragh: wow! That’s great!

[09:13] Gentle Heron: These were used on VAI’s website, blog, and on
notecards for our introducers.
[09:13] Gentle Heron: Gentle helped the newcomer presenters set up
their Second Life accounts, and as soon as she knew their names, she
added them to our spreadsheet in Google Documents.
[09:13] Gentle Heron: We both made sure to friend them, and one or
both of us were on hand to welcome them and start training them.
[09:13] Gentle Heron: I really believe, as many mentors do, that the
personal approach is the best. One-on-one or even two-on one contact
is so crucial to a good first experience in SL.
[09:14] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:14] Gentle Heron: I had notecards inworld to keep track of the
progress of each new presenter I was working with, and I kept the
Google spreadsheet updated with each one’s progress.
[09:14] Gentle Heron: We wanted to balance presenters with a specific
disability or Second Life focus with those who had a broader
perspective on community involvement for people with disabilities.
[09:14] Gentle Heron: We also wanted to involve academic researchers
as well as people with practical experiences of being disabled.
[09:15] Gentle Heron: And we wanted a variety of formats for the
presentations. Having all “talking heads” would have been too boring!
[09:15] Gentle Heron: Accessibility is important to our community as well.
[09:15] Gentle Heron: That’s why we always have transcriptionists.
[09:15] Gentle Heron: Two kinds of transcriptionists, actually: the
more common V2T, and the easier T2V.
[09:15] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:15] Gentle Heron: V2T or voice-to-text allows presenters to use
Voice. Some of our presenters who voice can put out their own text
simultaneously (using SpeakEasy or a similar tool) and the best ones
can also advance their own slides. But many speakers prefer to just …
[09:16] Gentle Heron: However, some presenters use only text.
[09:16] Gentle Heron: For them, T2V text-to-voice transcriptionists
read the text aloud so that our dyslexic, visually impaired, or blind
members can access it.
[09:16] Gentle Heron: We can always use transcriptionists, especially
those who do V2T. Please refer them to us! We pay for their work at
our presentations.
[09:16] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:17] Gentle Heron: Greeters are also important for accessibility,
as well as for establishing a sense of joining the community of the
[09:17] Gentle Heron: They welcome people by name, offer assistance
with voice or vision issues, explain the day’s schedule, and help
solve problems that may come up during the presentation. More on that
[09:17] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:17] Gentle Heron: Walking the Talk: Including the Virtual Ability
community in this conference was really a no-brainer for us.
[09:17] Gentle Heron: After all, the theme was about community, and it
was a team effort. No one person had to carry the full load. We
learned first-hand the benefits of delegating, not the least of which
was getting enough sleep at night! Here’s a partial list:
[09:17] Gentle Heron: · Gentle – identified and initially contacted
presenters, trained presenters on voice, introduced, opened and closed
conference, scheduled transcriptionists
[09:18] Gentle Heron: · iSkye – scheduled, trained and prepared
presenters, received and converted presentation materials, held hands
[09:18] Gentle Heron: · Eme Capalini – sim management, created
posters, created at least three different ‘sets’ for the stage for
different presenters, worked with inworld media
[09:18] Gentle Heron: · Pecos Kidd- website, social media
[09:18] Gentle Heron: · Ladyslipper Constantine – organised the Greeters group
[09:18] Gentle Heron: · Sister Abeyante – prepared PowerPoint for Tom
[09:19] Gentle Heron: · Introducers – VAI community members who
volunteered to introduce presenters:
o Jesse Lefevre
o Roxie Marten
o Treasure Ballinger
o Pecos Kidd
o Vulcan Viper
o Carla Broek (she was also a presenter)
[09:19] Gentle Heron: Reaching out to a broader community means
contacting and inviting partner groups across Second Life and
encouraging their members to celebrate disability rights with us.
[09:19] Gentle Heron: Our event was open to everyone, because everyone
benefits when we all have equal access to community.
[09:19] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:19] Gentle Heron: Involving the audience in a presentation is
community development. We tend to have very interactive audiences. We
encourage that!
[09:20] Gentle Heron: However we recognize that not all our presenters
can deal with presenting plus watching the local chat fly by.
[09:20] Gentle Heron: So we often ask our audiences to hold comments
and questions to the end. It’s not ideal, but it respects the
presenters’ needs.
[09:20] Gentle Heron: Inviting new members into the community is
important to us as well.
[09:20] Gentle Heron: We hope our presenters will become Virtual
Ability members, if they were not already.
[09:20] Gentle Heron: We know there is a steep learning curve entering SL.
[09:20] Gentle Heron: We try to make that less onerous for our new
presenters by coaching them through the entire sign in process,
creating a professional looking avatar, and learning minimal skills.
[09:21] Gentle Heron: Presenters don’t need to learn how to buy things
or organize inventory.
[09:21] Gentle Heron: They need to know how to:
· “sit” to look as if they are standing at the podium or sitting on the bench
· ensure their Voice is working
· look at the slide projector while their avatar is facing the audience
· advance slides on the projector
[09:21] Gentle Heron: That’s about it! iSkye trains them well.
[09:21] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:21] Gentle Heron: We shared news and information about the
conference in a variety of ways.
[09:21] Gentle Heron: Some of these are:
· distributing group notices
· listing on the SL Event Calendar
· sharing information with partner groups in Second Life
· using social media to spread the word about the event in the metaverse
[09:22] Gentle Heron: iSkye used Facebook to announce the conference,
and people like Zinnia picked up on it and shared it (THANK you for
that, every one of you!).
[09:22] Gentle Heron: We sent updates on Twitter before and during the
conference, and we uploaded snapshots to our Flickr photostream – it’s
still there, at
[09:22] Gentle Heron: We had displays set up nearby with interesting
history tidbits about disability rights.
[09:22] Gentle Heron: We didn’t stop there. We encouraged people to
leave comments and share their impressions of different topics during
and after conference.
[09:22] Gentle Heron: If you attended the conference, it’s not too
late to drop us a note at .
[09:22] Gentle Heron: We want to make next year’s conference even
better, and you can help!
[09:23] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:23] Gentle Heron: During the sessions, issues do come up, of
course, that require special handling.

For instance, when Philip Linden rezzed in, he had connection issues
and couldn’t see or speak. He had to relog several times (causing much
mirth in the audience, I’m sure) in order to get SL Voice to work.
[09:23] Gentle Heron: Behind the scenes, we were also working to get
him connected through Skype to the Metaverse TV folks, so that they
could record his sound. Always a challenge when connecting two
different systems, but we managed it in time.
[09:23] Gentle Heron: During our last research presentation, right at
the end when the speaker was beginning to answer questions, incredible
lag hit the entire sim.
[09:23] Gentle Heron: Several people including the transcriptionists
crashed hard. Others of us could not move or type. What did we do?
[09:24] Gentle Heron: We moved to a nearby island!
[09:24] Gentle Heron: Our greeters and other staff volunteers assisted
the presenter and everyone in the audience to move over, with LMs and
SLURLs for those who could TP and walking across with those who could
not TP.
[09:24] Gentle Heron: The presenter finished up at the other venue,
answering remaining questions almost as if nothing had happened.
[09:24] Buffy Beale: nice going!
[09:24] Gentle Heron: Meanwhile, our sim manager rebooted the
conference sim, where we reconvened for the final comedy show. (Maybe
the lag burst was a prelude for comedy?)

[09:24] Sister Abeyante: (We called it a “field trip”)

[09:24] Gentle Heron: ***
[09:24] Gentle Heron: One thing I should mention is Linden Lab support
for the event.

We had asked for and been assigned a “contact Linden.”
[09:25] Gentle Heron: When we got one of those pesky “Your sim is
scheduled for roll back” messages, we simply contacted “our” Linden
and she made that go away.
[09:25] Gentle Heron: With her support internally, our venue was
removed from the list of sims to be rolled on that day.
[09:25] Gentle Heron: ***
[09:25] Gentle Heron: After the conference, we took a day to recuperate.
[09:25] Gentle Heron: Then we started on follow-up tasks:
· feedback notecards from greeters, introducers, other volunteers
· sending conference certificates to presenters
[09:25] Gentle Heron: We also held a debriefing session to discuss the
lessons we’d learned:
· Half hour between was IMPORTANT
[09:26] Gentle Heron: · How to improve on preparing:
o Greeters
o Introducers
o Panelists
o presenters
· The importance of involving community
o Delegating tasks!
o Set a deadline for submitting presentation materials
o Get social media links of presenters
o Should presenters’ slides to be uploaded to SlideShare? Check with
presenters, get permission or links to their sharing sites
[09:26] Gentle Heron: Records of the event were created in several ways:
· Virtual Ability’s Flickr Photostream – iSkye took snapshots of each
presentation, and even a few before the event
[09:26] Gentle Heron: · Metaverse TV recordings of two presentations –
When Metaverse TV learned that we had invited Philip Rosedale, creator
of Second Life, and Tom Boellstorff, researcher, author and
anthropologist, to present at IDRAC, they asked to film these two
presentations. It was a privilege to have them there!
[09:26] Gentle Heron: · Slidesets and transcripts of the presentations
– iSkye handled the receipt and conversion of the images and
PowerPoint presentation images into SL-ready format and loaded them
into inworld projectors, then taught the presenters how to advance
their slides during their talks; transcripts of the talks were saved
as transcriptionists created them
[09:27] Gentle Heron: · Virtual Ability’s blog – details of the
conference and speakers were given, and visitors encouraged to leave
comments with their impressions
[09:27] Gentle Heron: ****
[09:27] Gentle Heron: Zinnia asked us to end today with some
information about how we measure the success of our conference.
[09:27] Gentle Heron: Of course, it’s easy to say something generic
like “if it inspired people, then the conference has been successful.”
That’s true of course, but a little difficult to measure.
[09:27] Gentle Heron: So we look at things like attendance numbers,
comments from the audience, and comments from the presenters…

[09:27] Zinnia Zauber: Check out the interview with Gentle and

[09:28] Gentle Heron: (that was a LOT of fun!)
[09:28] Gentle Heron: But we also ask people in the audience how they
came to hear about the sessions.
[09:28] Gentle Heron: It is important to us when we find out that
someone read about it in a group notice that we didn’t post, or got a
twitter message that we didn’t send.
[09:28] Gentle Heron: We know that as these messages spread outside
our own immediate contacts, we’ve raised awareness in our broader
audience as we impact other communities.
[09:28] Gentle Heron: ***
[09:28] Gentle Heron: I want to conclude by telling a story from one
of our early presentations on Friday.
[09:28] Gentle Heron: Nola Nash is from the Atlantis Community, an
Independent Living Center in Colorado.
[09:28] Gentle Heron: When I recruited her to present the history of
this community of support for people with disabilities in the physical
world, she was totally unfamiliar with the concept of virtual worlds.
[09:29] Gentle Heron: Her boss asked “Do you mean you are going to
present to The Sims?”
[09:29] Gentle Heron: By the time iSkye and I were done working with
Nola, Virtual Ability’s IDRAC conference had a moving presentation
about what is possible in an urban community where people with severe
disabilities are integrated;
[09:29] Gentle Heron: Nola and her boss had enough of a vision of the
potential benefits and uses of virtual worlds for their clients;
[09:29] Gentle Heron: And the NonProfit Commons will most likely have
a future tenant when the Atlantis Community enters Second Life.

[09:30] Sarvana Haalan: awesome

[09:30] Gentle Heron: I call that a win-win-win for the IDRAC
conference and all our communities.

[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: wonderful!

[09:30] Gentle Heron: Thank you. Any questions?

[09:30] Oronoque Westland: I was able to attend for a few hours. Aside
from it being an EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT conference on the topic, it was
a FANTASTIC model on how to run a conference in SL. I would suggest
that this presentation and slides be made available as a “how-to
guide” for others who are planning in-world conferences.
[09:30] Gentle Heron: (Sorry iSkye is still trying to enter SL)
[09:30] Buffy Beale: excellent as always Gentle, thanks!
[09:30] Gentle Heron: (she has other slides, but I couldn’t get to
them, I’m so sorry!)

[09:30] Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): Awesome!

[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: We sure are thankful for iSkye and the whole VAI team!

[09:30] Sarvana Haalan: Kudos to Gentle!!!

[09:30] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): Did your core team have
regular meetings? or even every day meetings? how did you organize and

[09:30] Gentle Heron: Teamwork, it’s all teamwork.

[09:31] Sarvana Haalan: and her team

[09:31] Dancers Yao: just wanted to add how great it was..excellent
work as always Gentle

[09:31] Ozma Malibu: Thanks so much for this wrap-up.

[09:31] Namaara MacMoragh: great presentation…. great job on the conference

[09:31] Gentle Heron: iSkye and I met daily. The task leaders we met
with as needed.
[09:31] Gentle Heron: iSkye and I used Google docs a LOT to coordinate
[09:31] Gentle Heron: spreadsheets and docs

[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: Excellent!

[09:32] Oronoque Westland: I would suggest that this presentation and
slides be made available as a “how-to guide” for others who are
planning in-world conferences.

[09:32] Zinnia Zauber: Your hard, I mean smart, work showed.

[09:32] Ozma Malibu: You show how important good organization is. You
must have spent all day on this for many days.

[09:32] Gentle Heron: Yes Zinnia, you have to work both hard and smart.

[09:32] Zinnia Zauber: That is a great idea Oronoque!

[09:32] Gentle Heron: Ozma, actually, I got more sleep the 2 days
prior to the conference than I usually do! People cut me slack on my
‘regular’ duties, so I went to bed early.
[09:33] Gentle Heron: Thanks Oro. I’ll see if I can get the rest of
the slideset.
[09:33] Gentle Heron: Thanks everyone.

[09:33] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Gentle!

[09:33] Buffy Beale: QUESTION: How hard was it to get Philip to present Gentle?

[09:33] Zinnia Zauber: This was super

[09:33] Ozma Malibu: Love the idea of only taking one day off after
the conference, and then scheduling meetings on the day after to make
sure that everything does happen. It’s so easy to fall into exhaustion
after something big and forget the final details now that the audience
is gone.

[09:33] Oronoque Westland: Truly an EXCELLENT conference.

[09:34] Zinnia Zauber: That is a good question to end on.

[09:34] Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Gentle It was a great conference.

[09:34] Ozma Malibu: Yes, the conference was great.

[09:34] Gentle Heron: Right Ozma, we had a checklist of things to do
AFTER the conference.

[09:34] Gentle Heron: and we knew everyone deserved a break

[09:34] Buffy Beale: the Conference was great and lot’s of good info

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: I learned a lot and thrilled to have Philip
talk about awesomeness!

[09:35] Gentle Heron: It really was fun to chat with Philip.

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: Gentle, did you see Buffy wanted to know how
you landed him.

[09:35] Buffy Beale: heheh nice way to put it Z 🙂

[09:35] Gentle Heron: That was easy, Buffy. I asked if he would be
willing to participate.

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: hehe
[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: That is great! He is so cool!

[09:35] Buffy Beale: That’s great he did Gentle nice going, and to get Tom too

[09:36] Sarvana Haalan: you never know unless you ask… Nice going Buffy

[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: yes! We must have Tom speak with his team soon!
[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, thank you Gentle! This was super!

Open Mic / Announcements

[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: Open Mic / Announcements

[09:36] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): Congratulations on a very
successful conference! Ty for sharing lessons learned too! Great job!

[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: Who has one?
[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: Gentle – you do.

[09:37] Gentle Heron: actually I do, since amazingly we have an event
this weekend too
[09:37] Gentle Heron: Continuing Virtual Ability’s “Waiting for the
World to Change” year-long series of presentations, tomorrow SATURDAY
morning, August 11:

[09:37] Sarvana Haalan: cool

[09:37] Gentle Heron: Disability in Europe 2012: Is There One European
(reprise of her IDRAC2012 presentation of August 4)
PRESENTER: Carla Broek
SAT Aug 11, 9:30am PDT/SLT

[09:37] Bathsheba Vizenor (bathsheba.darkfold): Thanks, again! I have
to run. Great Talk!

[09:37] Gentle Heron: and
Ratification Status Update of the UN Convention on the Rights of
Persons with Disabilities in the United States
PRESENTER: Kara Spengler
SAT Aug 11, 11am PDT/SLT
[09:37] Gentle Heron: Both held in the Sojourner Auditorium, Virtual
Ability Island

[09:37] Sarvana Haalan: LM?

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[09:38] Gentle Heron: Anyone else want a landmark to the auditorium?

[09:38] Oronoque Westland: Virtual Ability (54,170,23)

[09:38] Sarvana Haalan: Thanks!!

[09:38] Gentle Heron: Thanks for the SLURL Oro.

[09:39] Oronoque Westland: your welcome

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: Great!
[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: Other Annoucements?

[09:39] Gentle Heron has a busy events team!

[09:39] Sarvana Haalan: I have one

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: I am sending out that notecard for everyone –
please look for the notice.

[09:40] Gentle Heron sees Zinnia’s notecard

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: Go for it Sar!

[09:40] Sarvana Haalan: ok… I just attended CDC’s National Conference on
Health Communication, Marketing, and Media in
Atlanta. (smiles) I am still in Atlanta… time
to relax a bit. In my abstract presentation, I
shared information about capacity building
through social media and virtual worlds for
“Sexual Health in a Digital Age”. Many attendees
(nonprofits) did not know of TechSoup and its
various services. The ones that knew about
TechSoup were not aware of the NPSL community
and the benefits of being part of the community.
A link ( was
provided with an invitation to visit and join our virtual community.
[09:41] Sarvana Haalan: Much interest was expressed for virtual world

[09:42] Glitteractica Cookie: Sarava, Bulaklak and Alebez are looking
into making it easier for our ambassadors like you to help us share
the work of techsoup and our programs and services

[09:43] Buffy Beale: good idea Glitter

[09:43] Sarvana Haalan: I am compiling a Follow-up resource list per
session attendees request. I will be adding links to TechSoup, and
other sites of topics expressed
[09:44] Sarvana Haalan: great… I always ask if the audience know of
TechSoup… with a note that Nonprofits should be aware of TS

[09:44] Zinnia Zauber: Great, looks like we have more connections to make!

[09:44] bulaklak: This makes me think that part of the ambassador
program needs to be a way our community can keep us in the loop about
conferences they are attending.

[09:45] Zinnia Zauber: Yes!

[09:45] Sarvana Haalan: great idea

[09:45] bulaklak: I will put it in our “idea bank” and maybe we can
brainstorm a system some time in the future

[09:45] Zinnia Zauber: Any other announcements?

[09:46] Sarvana Haalan: can we email links to conference info to Bulaklak?
[09:46] Sarvana Haalan: if so, email please?

[09:47] bulaklak: is the best way to get it to us

[09:47] Sarvana Haalan: Thanks

[09:47] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[09:47] Glitteractica Cookie:
[09:47] Glitteractica Cookie: (not sure if works too. it proly does)

[09:47] Zinnia Zauber: lots of ways to connect!

[09:48] Sarvana Haalan: please send me any info on your “ambassdor”

[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Did you guys get my notecard through the group notices?

[09:48] Gentle Heron: yes Zinnia

[09:49] Sarvana Haalan: I need it again… lost it when I crashed

[09:49] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you! Remember Group is an open group.

[09:49] Ozma Malibu: mine disappeared as well

[09:49] Gentle Heron: It will stay in group notices for a couple of
seeks, Sarvana

[09:49] Gentle Heron: you can pick it up again any time

[09:49] Zinnia Zauber: You can check the past notices there.

[09:49] Ozma Malibu: oh of course Gentle

[09:49] Sarvana Haalan: great

[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: Any other open mic items?

[09:50] Gentle Heron: *any time in the next couple of weeks, before SL
deletes it

[09:50] Sarvana Haalan: will be part of my Netwrk update today… I
have been unconnected for a while

[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, then I am sharing those links again!
[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with the
Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons Blog:




Google Group:

Google Calendar:
[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: About TechSoup the sponsors of the Nonprofit Commons:
[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: Join us inworld:

NPC Weekly Meeting on Fridays, 8:30 – 10 AM SLT Plush Amphitheater,
Plush Nonprofit Commons (91,127,26)

NPC Mentors Meeting: Fridays, 10:10 – 11 AM SLT Plush Amphitheater,
Plush Nonprofit Commons (91,127,26)

Wharf Ratz Tuesday Night Extraordinary Dance Extravaganza, Every
Tuesday 7 – 9 PM SLT Preferred Family Healthcare on Aloft, Aloft
Nonprofit Commons (168,223,22)

CommonGround – Color Themed Monthly Networking Event on 3rd Thursday,
5 – 7 PM SLT CommonGround on Aloft, Aloft Nonprofit Commons (59,68,25)

[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: This has been a wonderful meeting! Thank you
Gentle and iSkye for all the work on this talk today!

[09:51] Buffy Beale: cheering!

[09:52] Gentle Heron feels bad iSkye isn’t here.

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you all for attending and please join the
Mentors for help and brainstorming at 10.

[09:52] Eme Capalini: me too….so sorry iSkye couldn’t get in

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: Thanks all

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: Please share with here we missed her.

[09:52] Buffy Beale: yes sure did!

[09:52] Gentle Heron: will do, Zinnia and Buffy

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: thank you!

[09:53] Gentle Heron: She sounds awful frustrated at the moment.

[09:53] Sarvana Haalan: Great job!

[09:53] Buffy Beale: thanks everyone and have a beautiful week

[09:53] alebez: thank you everyone! have a good one.

[09:53] Buffy Beale: see you at 10 🙂

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: Looking forward to seeing you all next week!
[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: Please take care!

[09:57] Dancers Yao: have a good week end….if you have a chance
please look at Kasuku Magic’s story…she loved being here, and was a
wonderful doctor. bye thx

[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Dancers for sharing
[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: we miss her

[09:59] Dancers Yao: thx,.I know people didn’t really have a chance to
know her ….but she was a volunteer physician who saved many lives…

[09:59] Zinnia Zauber: yes, wonderful.

[10:00] Dancers Yao: I would also like to thank Gentle for her
personal support to us…she has been very kind…

[10:00] Buffy Beale: back

[10:00] Gentle Heron: (((Dancers)))

[10:00] Dancers Yao: bye for now

[10:00] Zinnia Zauber: take care!

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Written by: Zinnia Zauber