Transcript of the Nonprofit Commons Meeting with Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global for June 29, 2012

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Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

June 29, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST

Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater

8:30 AM Introductions
8:40 AM TechSoup Announcements
8:45 AM Mentors Central
9:00 AM Big Data for Development with Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global
9:30 AM Open Mic / Announcements


[08:31] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome everyone to the Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting!
[08:31] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you for joining us!
[08:31] Zinnia Zauber: I am your Cruise Director, Zinnia!

[08:32] Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles

[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: I mean, Community Manager.
[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s start our meeting off with introductions.
[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: Please share your name, org, location, and
where we can find you on the web.

[08:32] Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Bridges for Women, Victoria BC Canada, @bridges4women

[08:33] Gentle Heron: Virtual Ability, Inc.

[08:33] Chayenn: Monique Richert., Protect Yourself 1, Inc.,
Baltimore, Maryland, PY1.US , , @PY1US

[08:33] Carl Solutionary (carlicann): Carl Icann For Rockcliffe U, Etopia, &
Feed-A-Smile: At 8am slt every Sunday, I lead Humane Education Drum
Circles – Now with Poetry!

[08:33] alebez: Ale Bezdikian, Online Community Coordinator, TechSoup,
SF, Ca. @TechSoup, @alebez

[08:33] Brena Benoir: Brenda Bryan, Preferred Family Heatlhcare,
Kirksville, Missouri,, @brenabenoir

[08:33] Adalace Jewell: RoSa Library Brussels, Belgium @adalace

[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond, Sequim Humanities
and Arts Alliance, Sequim, Olympic Peninsula, Washington. @renneemiko

[08:33] Panny Bakerly:; @FrptHisSoc

[08:34] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): Magic Pathfinder
(any1.gynoid), Faculty at New Citizens Inc (NCI), Teaching hands-on
Artificial Intelligence and Pathfinding in Second Life – More Info:

[08:34] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): appreciator of amazing folks here,
sociology esearch assistant, kira institute volunteer, Miami, FL,

[08:34] Ethelred Weatherwax: Dave Dexter, Neenah Historical Society,
Wisconsin USA

[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome everyone! More introductions?

[08:35] bulaklak: Michael DeLong, Senior Manager Online Community and
Social Meida, TechSoup Global, San Francisco,,
@MichaelDeLongSF @TechSoup

[08:35] Buffy Beale: hi jac 🙂

[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: I bet we have more. 🙂 lease share your name,
org, location, and where we can find you on the web.
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: missed my P there!
[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: Please!

[08:37] Glitteractica Cookie: Susan Tenby, Online Community Director,
TechSoup Global, San Francisco, CA USA @suzboop @techsoup

[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: Super!
[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: Here is today’s Agenda…
[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: AGENDA
8:30 AM Introductions
8:40 AM TechSoup Announcements
8:45 AM Mentors Central
9:00 AM Big Data for Development with Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global
9:30 AM Open Mic/ Announcements
[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: More introductions?

[08:38] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett, Elder Voices, Los Angeles, CA
Health Care and Human Rights

[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you everyone!
[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Get ready for the big list of links!
[08:40] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with
the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons blog:



Google Group:

Google Calendar:


About TechSoup:

Join us inworld:

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting: Fridays, 8:30 – 10 AM Plush
Amphitheater Plush Nonprofit Commons (88,126,26)

Nonprofit Commons Mentors Meeting: Fridays, 10:10 – 11 AM Plush
Amphitheater Plush Nonprofit Commons (88,126,26)

[08:40] Zinnia Zauber: Weekly Networking Event: Tuesdays, Wharf Ratz
Tuesday Night Extraordinary Dance Extravaganza, Preferred Family
Healthcare, 7 – 9 PM SLT Aloft Nonprofit Commons (160,229,23)

Monthly Networking Event: 3rd Thursday, CommonGround, Aloft, 5 – 7 PM SLT
Aloft Nonprofit Commons (84,64,25)

TechSoup Announcements

[08:40] Zinnia Zauber: Okay! Let’s Get going with TechSoup Announcements!
[08:41] Zinnia Zauber: bulaklak take it away!

[08:41] bulaklak: Hi, folks!

[08:41] Glitteractica Cookie: hi bulaklak

[08:41] Buffy Beale: yay bulaklak

[08:42] bulaklak: A few quick TechSoup announcements today.
[08:42] bulaklak: TOMORROW is the last day of our fiscal year, and
therefor the last day for many of our programs during which you can
order your 2011 allotment of software.
[08:42] bulaklak: It starts over on July 1, so don’t worry.
[08:43] bulaklak: But you just may be able to get MORE by ordering
both before AND after that date.
[08:43] bulaklak: Our tech writer Patrick Duggan explains it all here
[08:43] bulaklak:

[08:43] Ethelred Weatherwax: I’ve placed my order!

[08:44] bulaklak: In case you ever wanted to know how to get more out
of TechSoup — there’s a lot we can do for you! — we have a helpful
free webinar coming up.
[08:44] bulaklak: Called none other than How to Get the Most out of TechSoup
[08:44] bulaklak:
[08:45] bulaklak: That is on July 12
[08:45] bulaklak: So you may remember over the last few weeks me
mentioning the Microsoft Local Impact Map
[08:46] bulaklak: I introduced you to our newest teammate Bea Dominguez
[08:46] bulaklak: You probably remember that she was having some
serious rezzing issues!
[08:46] bulaklak: We’re still trying to work those out so she can be
more than a floating head in water.

[08:46] Glitteractica Cookie: her avatar name is trichetriche

[08:47] bulaklak: Anyway, she is gathering stories for the Local
Impact Map which demonstrate all the ways social benefit orgs use
technology to fulfull their missions
[08:47] bulaklak: We’ll have her do a full presentation soon, but in
the meantime, be thinking about stories you might want to share with

[08:47] Zinnia Zauber: Will she be interested in the stories we just
showcased at SL9B?

[08:48] bulaklak: You can also check out this article about the tool
we are using to present the stories here
[08:48] bulaklak:
[08:48] bulaklak: Microsoft wrote about it on their Corporate Citizen blog
[08:48] bulaklak: Zinnia, I am sure she would be.

[08:48] Glitteractica Cookie: yes, Zinnia

[08:48] bulaklak: We will also be launching a community newsletter, so
there’s places for lots of stories.

[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: Super! “Wishes Granted” is an ongoing project
for us at the Nonprofit Commons.

[08:49] bulaklak: Well I think that is it for today.

[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[08:49] bulaklak: Did everyone see Glitter’s new outfit?

[08:50] Eliza (eliza.madrigal) zooms

[08:50] alebez: omg, yes. looking good, glitter.

[08:50] Zinnia Zauber: Stunning!

[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: This old thing??

[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: 😉
[08:50] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[08:50] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): Let’s go belly dancing! Eeep!

Mentors Central
[08:50] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, Mentors Central!
[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: First, a reminder that we have the Mentors
Meeting after this meeting to help you out!

[08:51] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haha

[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: Second, many thanks to everyone that supported
the SL9B exhibit for the Nonprofit Commons!
[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: Who got their new wings there?

[08:51] Brena Benoir: /raises hand

[08:52] Zinnia Zauber: Yay!

[08:52] Gentle Heron: It was fun taking people around all the exhibits.

[08:52] Zinnia Zauber: These grid wide community events are very important.
[08:52] Zinnia Zauber: Even a great learning experience, right Gentle?

[08:52] Gentle Heron chuckles

[08:52] Buffy Beale: nice job Zinnia it looked great

[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you, Buffy!
[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: Our goal is to keep added more books to the
“Wishes Granted” project.
[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: So, I hope that you will join us in the future
and share your story of positive impact.
[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: Third, last week Jen mentioned our goal to have
more workshops.
[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: We all know that you have to lead by example. Right?
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: So we are putting together a list of those
ideas and instructors.
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: What would be wonderful is if you send me or
any of the Mentors a notecard with ideas and contacts.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: Here are some ideas that were brought up.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: How to create a nonprofit
How to create a tax exempt in the US
NPC Office Operations
NPC Community Development
Nonprofit Governance
Doing Presentations in SL
Marketing Your Organization
How to create an event
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: Some of these we have covered during past
Mentor Centrals.
[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: So, that leads to today’s lesson!

[08:57] Glitteractica Cookie: it would be great if we could start to
bring in topics we’ve done webinarson at TechSoup and have an extended
workshop here… for example social media marketing of events comes to
[08:57] Glitteractica Cookie: What do you think, Bulaklak and Alebez?
[08:57] Glitteractica Cookie: just an idea
[08:57] alebez: i think that’s a good echo

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Great, Glitter.
[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: We have discussed having some sessions other
times, so those might be the right fit for sure.
[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: And, it would give more Techsoup staff access
to Second Life.

[08:58] Glitteractica Cookie: nice, let’s discuss the logistics later

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Super!
[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, so how to create a notecard.
[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: How many of you know how to create a notecard?

[08:59] Gentle Heron nods.

[08:59] Panny Bakerly raises her hand

[08:59] Coughran Mayo raises hand

[08:59] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: Why is important to use notecards?

[08:59] Gentle Heron: Because the message persists!

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: Right!

[08:59] Coughran Mayo: durable communication

[08:59] Panny Bakerly: I cant rely on my memory…

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: lol Penny

[09:00] Gentle Heron: Very good point, Panny.

[09:00] Coughran Mayo: consistent instructions

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: How many of you use notecards in your offices
or comm with others?

[09:00] Panny Bakerly: I do

[09:00] Gentle Heron does.

[09:00] Coughran Mayo: yes
[09:01] Coughran Mayo: notecard giver scripts are valuable

[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: Excellent!
[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: very!
[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: What can you put into a notecard?

[09:01] Gentle Heron: in addition to text, you can insert stuff like
landmarks, objects, other notecards…..

[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: Right!

[09:02] Gentle Heron: can’t insert calling cards, I found out.

[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: So, a notecard is more that just text.
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: It will not get capped, like so many IMs and notices do.
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: I find that I use notecards to keep notes for
myself, like Panny.

[09:02] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): the objects must be full perms
before you can copy to notecard… fyi

[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: I also use them to communicate with others.

[09:03] Buffy Beale: We have a notecard giver at Bridges too

[09:03] Gentle Heron nods to any1

[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: Right, Magic!

[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: Full Perms!
[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: I am always chanting Full Perms to my students.
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: So, very quick, now that our speaker has arrived.
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: when you open your inventory
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: you will see the little plus at the bottom
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: You click on that and choose New Notecard
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: You can title it right away

[09:05] KeishaTaylor: Hi everyone

[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: If you missed a chance to, it will just be
called New Note.
[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome Keisha!
[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s get you started, please have a seat.

[09:05] KeishaTaylor: I think I am still loading 🙂

[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: okay
[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: Please push the stand button at the bottom of
your screen.
[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: Then you can aim to sit up here with me.
[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: So, once you have a new notecard, start typing!
[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: Remember to save!
[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: Okay
[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: That is it!

Big Data for Development with Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global

[09:06] Glitteractica Cookie: Welcome Keisha! How’s the weather in
London for you this evening?

[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you for joining us Keisha!

[09:07] KeishaTaylor: Well it started off cold and rainy, but now the
sun is shining 🙂

[09:07] jacmacaire Humby: I’m really sorry to go already.. I have to
run.. A very nice week-end to all..

[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: I posted two of your websites you gave me up on
the front.
[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Take care Jac!

[09:07] KeishaTaylor: ok Thanks Zinna

[09:07] jacmacaire Humby: Thanks Zinnia.. Bye

[09:08] KeishaTaylor: Hi everyone

[09:08] Gentle Heron: Hello Keisha.

[09:09] Dancers Yao: welcome

[09:09] Buffy Beale: welcome Keisha 🙂

[09:09] KeishaTaylor: Today I am just going to talk a little about
‘big data’ and what this means for nonprofits. Do you know what ‘big
data’ is?

[09:09] Serene Jewell: Data that won’t fit on my little computer?
[09:10] Serene Jewell: 🙂

[09:10] Buffy Beale: lol Serene

[09:10] KeishaTaylor: @ Serene – that is where the cloud comes in!

[09:11] Serene Jewell: Honestly, I hear the term all the time but have
never thought about exactly what it means. I assumed it means big

[09:13] KeishaTaylor: well big data refers to digital data which can
come from the sensors on products you use to your gps, mobile phones,
social media data
[09:13] KeishaTaylor: apologies my computer is a bit slow. I wish i could talk!
[09:13] KeishaTaylor: 🙂

[09:13] Panny Bakerly: do you mean multi-media data?

[09:14] Zinnia Zauber: We are all supporting you here, Keisha.

[09:14] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): 🙂

[09:14] Glitteractica Cookie: You are doing great keisha

[09:15] KeishaTaylor: that an much more. You are contributing to big
data right now

[09:15] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): I am reading the wikipedia
page… I think big data means data sets that are much larger than a
single database on a single system can feasibly run…. so big data
must run in a different architecture… entirely… parallel and
distributed… like Google uses to do instant searches of the entire

[09:16] Glitteractica Cookie: interesting… thx for reading that to us

[09:16] KeishaTaylor: your mobile phones are saying where you ar. i
recommend reading Mc Kinsey’s report on big data for a better
[09:17] KeishaTaylor: though it is not nonprofit specific it does
delve into what big data is.
[09:17] KeishaTaylor: big data can be used for development because
when all this data is gathered over time it can help in understanding
what is need and where and by whom.
[09:18] KeishaTaylor: do you kbnow Ushahidi?

[09:19] Gentle Heron: no

[09:19] Panny Bakerly: I don’t.

[09:19] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid):

[09:19] KeishaTaylor: they have developed technology which is being
used to track what is going on in real-time and respond to disasters

[09:19] Buffy Beale: I know of it yes, a tracking site for stats in a
way, such as an emergency

[09:20] KeishaTaylor: @magic then there is also Google flu trends.
that uses big data (in this case from Google to look at if there may
be a flu outbreak
[09:21] KeishaTaylor: at the internation level the UN Global Pulse is
also looking into working on data philanthropy. they want
coorporations to give data that they gather when people use their
technology to solve global and community problems

[09:22] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): yes, that’s right… data such
as purchases of over-the-counter drugs are tracked and analyzed.. for
disease outbreaks… similar apps in agriculture … BioSurveillance

[09:22] KeishaTaylor:

[09:22] Panny Bakerly: Are there any privacy issues there?

[09:22] Gentle Heron: HAHAHA sure Panny, but “they” know you asked that!

[09:23] KeishaTaylor: @panny – there are privacy issues

[09:23] Eliza (eliza.madrigal) laughs

[09:23] KeishaTaylor:…

[09:23] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): most of the public data sets
are de-identified… all privacy info removed

[09:24] KeishaTaylor: a supermarket sent information to a girl who was
pregnant before she even told her parents because the track purchases
and target customers based on this

[09:24] bulaklak: I remember that story.
[09:25] bulaklak: They sent her diaper and formula coupons.

[09:25] KeishaTaylor: @magic a lot of it is de-identfied – but there
is a possiblity that the more people provide data t more easily it is
to reidentify people

[09:25] Panny Bakerly: guess they lost a customer

[09:26] KeishaTaylor: which is why nonprofits need to start small and
engage with their communities. find out what problems they want to
solve and then work to get data which can help them address it

[09:26] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): some companies are taking
voter records and matching them with di-identified data… to
re-identify you… theoretically … they can always do that.. it’s
the “statistical database problem”

[09:27] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wow

[09:27] KeishaTaylor: for sure there will be a lot of use of data for
the upcoming US elections
[09:28] KeishaTaylor:…

[09:28] Serene Jewell: Is there a set of big data that allows regular
people to track the companies that are tracking us?

[09:28] KeishaTaylor: this now brings me to open data

[09:28] Buffy Beale: good question Serene

[09:30] KeishaTaylor: there are tools that can be used to gather and
track big data, but not really to track the companies that are
tracking us

[09:30] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): there are about 20,000
Internet tracking companies…. huge industry…
[09:30] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): invisible… muwah

[09:31] KeishaTaylor: the open data movement is aiming fo r as much
transparency and openess as possible though. Governments have started
releaseing data in downloadable formats so people can do interesting
things with it.
[09:32] KeishaTaylor: you can have a look at what data is available
from your government online. Have a look here for some resources

[09:32] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): Wikipedia.. about Open Data

[09:33] KeishaTaylor: you can take the opportunity to find out if
there is information there that can help you. that you can combine
with your own data to visualise and tell compelling stories
[09:33] KeishaTaylor: some of the apps that you might use are being
built from the governments open data
[09:33] KeishaTaylor: and from crowdsourc
[09:34] KeishaTaylor: crowdsourcing
[09:34] KeishaTaylor: do you know what crowdsourcing is?

[09:34] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): wikipedia is example

[09:34] Gentle Heron: “the wisdom of the crowd”

[09:36] KeishaTaylor: yes people can sometimes find things to do with
your data that you never could have dreamt about.
[09:36] KeishaTaylor: i think i am out of time now. i only just
scratched the surface

[09:36] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): are there cloud resources
available to nonprofits? like hadoop installations?

[09:36] Buffy Beale: interesting topic Keisha thanks

[09:36] KeishaTaylor: ican send you some stuff on this

[09:37] bulaklak: I think the challenge for a lot of nonprofits will
be to have someone on staff who can wade through all the data the
gov’t releases and parse it, know what is valuable, and figure out how
to make it useful.

[09:37] KeishaTaylor: and if you send me any questions. Hadoop is one
popular toole

[09:37] Serene Jewell: Thank you for the links, Keisha, they are very

[09:37] KeishaTaylor: @bulaklak that is true

[09:37] bulaklak: that will likely become a new track within nonprofit
communications careers.

[09:37] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): yes great talk… I learned
alot… thank you!

[09:37] bulaklak: yes, really enjoyed this talk, Keisha!

[09:38] Magic Pathfinder (any1.gynoid): <— may want to teach a class
on this some day!

[09:38] Buffy Beale: yay a1 that would be great

[09:38] bulaklak: You are welcome to come back here any time and give
us more information as it becomes available.

[09:38] Gentle Heron: Thanks Keisha. How do you anticipate nonprofits
using this massive amount of data?

[09:38] KeishaTaylor: i will send you some information ia Zinnia

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: Perfect
[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: We can post that on the blog with links.
[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: There is so much! Right?

[09:39] Ethelred Weatherwax: Buklak — the challenge for many
non-profits is that they have no staff, much less a dedicated IT

[09:39] bulaklak: @Magic that would be great. I think a lot of us
nonprofits communications professionals would like to know more about
how to read and use data effectively but don’t know where to start.

[09:39] KeishaTaylor: they have to think small i think, and make sure
that the data they need is part of the big data landscape

[09:39] Buffy Beale: how true Eth it sure is in my case

[09:39] Gentle Heron agrees with Ethelred.

[09:39] KeishaTaylor: i can also send a list of free visualisation tools

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: great!

[09:39] bulaklak: We’ve been trained in how to influence the media but
this is a whole other ballgame.

[09:40] KeishaTaylor: andme other practcal information. I think my
time is up. but if you have any final questions let me know

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: Keisha is a wealth of data herself!

[09:40] bulaklak: Yes!

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: Any questions before we go to Open Mic?

[09:40] Serene Jewell: Thanks so much for the info, Keisha.

[09:41] KeishaTaylor: Thank you guys for listening! I really enjoyed
it. It is my first time too!

[09:41] Glitteractica Cookie: Keisha, please come back to a future NPC meeting

[09:41] bulaklak: Yes, thank you, Keisha. And please do come back
again. We’d love to hear more whenever you would like to stop by.

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[09:41] Buffy Beale: yay Keisha come join the fun here too at the gatherings

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you very much Keisha!

[09:41] Dancers Yao: thanks…very helpful

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: She did great just starting yesterday in SL.

[09:42] Glitteractica Cookie: amazing

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you so much!

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: Okay!

[09:42] Buffy Beale: lol I’ll say, even sitting can be difficult so
well done Keisha!

[09:42] KeishaTaylor: @buffy it did take a while to sort out how to sit!
[09:42] KeishaTaylor: at least i still have myclothes on

[09:43] Buffy Beale: lol me too when I started.. sitting I mean

Open Mic / Announcements

[09:43] Zinnia Zauber: Who has an Open Mic Announcement?

[09:43] Buffy Beale: Hand up

[09:43] Zinnia Zauber: Super, Buffy! Go for it!

[09:44] Buffy Beale: thanks Z
[09:44] Buffy Beale: I think the NPC is coming up to our 5th
anniversary and wondered if we would like to have a grand, the
grandest of all events?
[09:44] Buffy Beale: or is it 6, I forget now
[09:45] Buffy Beale: just putting it out there for discussion as the
time goes quickly

[09:45] Zinnia Zauber: Good idea

[09:45] Buffy Beale: that’s all I wanted to say but it would be nice
to mark the celebration

[09:46] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, when would that be?

[09:46] Buffy Beale: I think it’s in August?

[09:46] Brena Benoir: Sounds right Buffy
[09:46] Brena Benoir: Maybe a ball or something?

[09:46] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, a big ball.

[09:46] Buffy Beale: sure that would be fun

[09:47] Zinnia Zauber: It would be important that everyone be part of it.

[09:47] Buffy Beale: we can talk about it at the mentor’s meeting

[09:47] Brena Benoir: are there others that would interested in being
part of the team to make that happen?

[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, it needs to be a team.
[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Anyone want to join Buffy on this important event?

[09:48] Buffy Beale: any1 did a great session once on how to organize an event

[09:48] Brena Benoir: TEAM=Together Everyone Accomplishes More

[09:48] Buffy Beale: maybe we could get a repeat of that
[09:49] Buffy Beale: The NPC is what we make of it not just show up
and sit our avatars for a few hours once a week

[09:49] Brena Benoir: I would be willing to be part of a team to help
put a celebration together

[09:49] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, let’s get some words and dates figured out
and make a call for help.

[09:49] Buffy Beale: and it always seems to be the same people so it
would be great if we could see some new faces helping

[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: Glitter, don’t you think this would be a boom
for marketing TechSoup?

[09:50] Buffy Beale: ok Z sounds great

[09:51] Glitteractica Cookie: sorry, missed that

[09:51] Buffy Beale: maybe we could add this to the MOU… participate
on at least one team for an event lol

[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, good idea

[09:51] Brena Benoir: I think that sounds like a good idea Buffy

[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: We are discussing celebrating NPC’s birthday in August.

[09:51] Buffy Beale: I do understand time is hard for a lot of folks,
me included lately so no pressure

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: I think it would be a great marketing moment
for the orgs and TechSoup.

[09:52] Brena Benoir: It’s also a great opportunity to forge more
networks and friendships as well

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: Just checking, does anyone else have an announcement?

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: We could talk more about the idea later,
and look into options. I’m not sure about timing with all the other
stuff we are doing in August right now, but i’m open to looking into

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, great!

[09:53] Buffy Beale: we could make it in September, the idea is not to
let it pass without celebrating it

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: yes we could

[09:53] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Thanks Zinnia, everyone :::waves::::

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Eliza!

[09:53] Buffy Beale: bye Eliza

[09:53] Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye for now

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: take care
[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: Okay
[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s go with our links to connect and events to attend!

[09:54] Chayenn: i would love to be part of but for now PY1 is
preparing to be part of the world aids conference July 22 to 27

[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with
the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons blog:



Google Group:

Google Calendar:


About TechSoup:
[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: Join us inworld:

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting: Fridays, 8:30 – 10 AM Plush
Amphitheater Plush Nonprofit Commons (88,126,26)

Nonprofit Commons Mentors Meeting: Fridays, 10:10 – 11 AM Plush
Amphitheater Plush Nonprofit Commons (88,126,26)

Weekly Networking Event: Tuesdays, Wharf Ratz Tuesday Night
Extraordinary Dance Extravaganza, Preferred Family Healthcare, 7 – 9
PM SLT Aloft Nonprofit Commons (160,229,23)

Monthly Networking Event: 3rd Thursday, CommonGround, Aloft, 5 – 7 PM SLT
Aloft Nonprofit Commons (84,64,25)

[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: This was a great meeting!

[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you everyone for being part of the discussion!
[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: We have the Mentors Meeting after this.
[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: Does anyone have anything else to add?

[09:55] Glitteractica Cookie: ok, bye all!
[09:55] Glitteractica Cookie: thanks

[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: Take care!

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Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Big Data Use For Development with Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global for June 29 Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

This Friday, June 29, Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global will be joining us at the Nonprofit Commons to talk about the use of data for development by charities and TechSoup Global’s recent seminar “Transforming your charity by bringing your data to life with the Guardian”… . And, its related Guardian Report – Getting to grips with Big Data… , as well as some issues raised in the Guardian Activate Summit in London

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

June 29, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST

Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater


8:30 AM Introductions

8:40 AM TechSoup Announcements

8:45 AM Mentors Central

9:00 AM Big Data for Development with Keisha Taylor of TechSoup Global

9:30 AM Open Mic/ Announcements

About Keisha:

Keisha’s interests lies in the use of ICT and data for development, data communications, digital inclusion and data privacy and protection. She is a Communications Manager at TechSoup Global, and for its GuideStar International programme in London. She has studied Internet Governance and ICT Policy through the IGCB Programme hosted by the DiploFoundation and has actively participated in the UN’s Internet Governance Forums (IGF). Other programmes she has worked on included a web based project, which encouraged community groups to think of resources as more than money by using an asset based community development approach. She has an MA in International Relations from the Universiteit van Amsterdam in the Netherlands and a BSc. in Sociology from the University of the West Indies in Trinidad and Tobago.

Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Transcript of the Nonprofit Commons Meeting with Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe Salgado of Machinimart on June 22, 2012

Unabridged Transcript

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

June 22, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST

Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater


8:30AM Introductions

8:40AM TechSoup Announcements

8:45AM Mentors Central

8:55AM Machinimart with Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe Salgado

9:30AM Open Mic / Announcements


[08:27] Adalace Jewell: hi everyone
[08:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hello 🙂
[08:28] Ozma Malibu: Good morning!
[08:28] Panny Bakerly: Morning
[08:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: mornin’ 🙂
[08:29] Chayenn: good morning everyone
[08:29] bulaklak: Good morning!
[08:29] Panny BakerlyPanny Bakerly waves halloooo
[08:30] Buffy Beale: hi Panny hello everyone
[08:30] Chayenn: good morning Buffy
[08:31] Buffy Beale: Hi there Chay 🙂
[08:31] bulaklak: Hi, Chayenn.
[08:31] Chayenn: bonjour Bulaklak
[08:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: graceful, Carl!
[08:32] Panny Bakerly: hehehe
[08:34] Glitteractica Cookie: Are we waiting for zinnia?
[08:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: I was going to ask, are we waiting for something/someone? 😀
[08:34] Glitteractica Cookie: Gebe, please feel free to sit on the bleachers in front of you
[08:34] Glitteractica Cookie: We are waiting for zinnia
[08:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: ok
[08:35] Glitteractica Cookie: but I guess, since it’s 5 after, we should get started in a min
[08:35] HB Eternal: I thought Zinnia was at a conference today, no?
[08:35] Ozma Malibu: Im not sitting on anyone, right?
[08:35] Glitteractica Cookie: No Ozma, you’re good
[08:35] Buffy Beale: you’re good Oz
[08:35] Ozma Malibu: thanks 🙂
[08:35] Glitteractica Cookie: Alebez just reminded me that Zinnia is not joining us today
[08:35] alebez: Yes, Zinnia is at a conference today.
[08:35] Carl Solutionary: Hello Ozma.. you can check that with MiniMap… where ppls are before they rez… fyi
[08:36] Glitteractica Cookie: So, I will need someone to IM me the agenda
[08:36] Glitteractica Cookie: In any case, let’s get started
[08:36] Glitteractica Cookie: Please say your real life name, nonprfoit affiliation, location in the hysical world, URL and twitter handle
[08:36] HB Eternal: Harold W Becker, The Love Foundation, Florida, @lovefoundation
[08:36] Panny Bakerly: Jeanne Booth, Freeport Historical Society, Freeport, NY; @FrptHisSoc
[08:36] Jen: Bruce Hestley, Transgender American Veterans Association, Akron, OH,
[08:36] Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Bridges for Women, Victoria BC Canada, @bridges4women
[08:37] Chayenn: Monique Richert, Protect Yourself 1, Inc, Baltimore, MD, PY1.US, , @PY1US
[08:37] CarmenLittleFawn: Drive by agony, Los Angeles, California
[08:37] Lyssa Lyssa Rowan, Job Accommodation Network, @JANatJAN
[08:37] bulaklak: Michael DeLong, TechSoup, Online Community Manager,, @MichaelDeLongSF, @TechSoup
[08:37] CarynTopia Silvercloud: Caryn Heilman, Topia Arts Center, Berkshires in Adams, MA,, @topiaartscenter
[08:37] Adalace Jewell: Corine Van Hellemont, RoSa Library, brussels, Belgium @adalace
[08:37] alebez: Ale Bezdikian, TechSoup Global, SF, Ca, @TechSoup, @alebez
[08:37] Ozma Malibu: Sandy Andrews, Floaters Org, AZ, Mexico and On the Road, @ozma
[08:37] Ronnie Rhode: Denise Harrison, The Garden for the Missing, and SLURL Remora (203,148,21), Project Jason, assistance for families of the missing,
[08:37] Glitteractica Cookie: Susan Tenby, Online community and Social Media director, TechSoup Global, San Francisco, CA USA @techsoup @suzboop
[08:38] Carl Solutionary: Carl Icann For Rockcliffe U, Etopia, & Feed-A-Smile: At 8am slt every Sunday, I lead Humane Education Drum Circles – Now with Poetry!
[08:38] Namaara MacMoragh: Gloria Kraegel with Etopia and the Brain Energy Support Team in Tacoma WA
[08:38] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett, Elder Voices, Health Care and Human Rights Los Angeles, CA
[08:38] jacmacaire Humby: Hi everyone
[08:38] CarmenLittleFawn: Hi 🙂
[08:38] Buffy Beale: hi jac!
[08:39] Glitteractica Cookie: If you haven’t already done so, Please say your real life name, nonprfoit affiliation, location in the hysical world, URL and twitter handl
[08:39] jacmacaire Humby: Jacques Macaire HUMANBE Action Tank and Council on Sustainable Development France and International @Humanbe
[08:39] Glitteractica Cookie: physical world and twitter handle (typos/sorry)
[08:39] Ricken Flow: Ricky Davis, San Antonio,TX Online DJ, unemployed, hiv/aids peer support, @dyverse_steele
[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: any more introductions?
[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: these introductions are posted on on our wiki, so we can network with each other btw meetings.
[08:41] Glitteractica Cookie: Speaking of our wiki… we have a number of different ways to stay in touch between meetings.
[08:41] Glitteractica Cookie: there are a list of links to find us across the web
[08:42] Glitteractica Cookie: Bulaklak, will you do the honors?
[08:42] bulaklak: I will! But my MS Word is loading at the pace of a glacier
[08:42] bulaklak: Anyone out there in the community have them at the ready?
[08:42] Glitteractica Cookie: you can save them inworld for quick reference
[08:42] Glitteractica Cookie: i would grab mine but a few info bits are out of date
[08:42] bulaklak: Good tip, thanks, Glitter.
[08:43] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, well here are mine… I know there are a few dates of meetings and stuff that are different:
[08:43] Glitteractica Cookie: Here are the many ways to can get involved with
Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:
Nonprofit Commons blog:
Google Group:
 NPC Video
Weekly Networking Event: Wharf Ratz, Aloft,
Tuesdays, 8pm SLT
Monthly Networking Event (1st Thursday):
Common Ground, Plush, 7PM SLT
[08:43] Glitteractica Cookie: the links are the same, though
[08:44] Glitteractica Cookie: it’s the tuesday inworld meetup that is a bit outdated. so maybe one of you can shout out the correct time for common ground?
[08:44] bulaklak: I think these are the latest . . .
[08:44] bulaklak: Here are the many ways to can get involved with
Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:
Nonprofit Commons blog:
Google Group:
 NPC Video
Weekly Networking Event: Wharf Ratz, Aloft,
Tuesdays, 7pm SLT
Aloft Nonprofit Commons (168,223,23)
Monthly Networking Event (3rd Thursday):
Common Ground, Plush, 7PM SLT
Plush Nonprofit Commons (128,229,26)
[08:45] Glitteractica Cookie: ok, thanks.

TechSoup Announcements

[08:45] Glitteractica Cookie: So… with that… Bulaklak, do you have any updates from our end of things at TechSoup?
[08:45] bulaklak: Yes!
[08:45] bulaklak: Thank you.
[08:46] bulaklak: So, as some of you may know, Twitter rocked the world yesterday by going out for a stunning 45 minutes.
[08:46] bulaklak: Incidentally, this was right during our scheduled tweet chat on how NGOs use data.
[08:46] bulaklak: So we are rescheduling the #npdata tweet chat for Wednesday, June 27 at 10am PT
[08:46] bulaklak: Read all about it here, as well as how to participate
[08:47] bulaklak:
[08:47] bulaklak: We partnered with our London office to put this one together so it should be a good mix of people from different parts of the world. We hope you can come!
[08:48] bulaklak: One other announcement. June 30 is just a little over a week away. And that is Fiscal Year End for TechSoup as well as many of our donor partners.
[08:48] bulaklak: If you think you have not gotten your allotment of software donations for 2011, get ’em before June 30!
[08:48] bulaklak: More info on that here
[08:49] bulaklak:
[08:49] bulaklak: Oh! And one other heads up.
[08:50] bulaklak: We will not be streaming next week’s OCTRIBE into Second Life.
[08:50] Buffy Beale: awww
[08:50] bulaklak: Our wonderful friend and colleague is off getting super smart at Singularity University.
[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: Due to low attendance at the last few OCTRIBE meetups
[08:50] bulaklak: Oh, and that.
[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: Heh
[08:50] Ozma Malibu: sorry to break in but – Message from Zinnia: she sends everyone her best, and is giving a lecture at her 20th college reunion this morning.
[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: that is nice
[08:50] Ozma Malibu: so that explains it 🙂
[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: Thanks Oz
[08:51] bulaklak: And by our wonderful friend and colleague I mean InKenzo. So do wish her well with all her awesome new learning.
[08:51] Ozma Malibu: Rhiannon is also at Singularity. I am amazed that I know 2 people there.
[08:51] Ozma Malibu: both deserve it!!
[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: Thanks Bulaklak… Alebez, do you have any additional announcements?
[08:52] bulaklak: You can still attend OCTRIBE by using the Adobe Connect link we will provide.
[08:52] Ozma Malibu: I have such smart friends.
[08:52] alebez: no, bulaklak hit em’!
[08:52] bulaklak: So the virtual component continues at least in one way!
[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, thanks for the updates

Mentors Central

[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, so now we’re off to Mentor’s Central. Do our mentors have updates today?
[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: can the mentors take the stage?
[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: heeellllaauuuooo??
[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: Ah, there we go
[08:54] Jen: I’ll take it
[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: Thnks Jen
[08:54] Jen: I had a quick topic, but forgot
[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: can you update the group on what the mentors are? What they do?
[08:55] Jen: I’m looking into workshops outside this meeting
[08:55] Jen: Mentors are people who volunteer to assist with SL functions
[08:55] Jen: We may also have RL expertise to impart as well
[08:55] Glitteractica Cookie: The weekly mentor’s meeting happens right after this meeting, at 10am SLT
[08:56] Jen: We usually meet immediately after this meeting
[08:56] Jen: Thanks Glitter
[08:56] Jen: I’m interested in what topics you might like to have that might take longer than we have time for in this meeting
[08:57] Jen: My idea is like a Leadership Conference
[08:57] Jen: So if you have topics please forward them to me
[08:57] Jen: I have one I did in two fridays on office operation
[08:58] Jen: Any questions for Mentors?
[08:58] Jen: As far as I know we’re still planning to meet after the main meeting
[08:58] Glitteractica Cookie: Folks can also email and we will forward the questions to the mentors, if they think of one later
[08:58] Jen: Or IM me any time
[08:59] Jen: Be happy to hear from you
[08:59] Hour Destiny: Some of us are also available via Twitter.
[08:59] CarmenLittleFawn: ok 🙂
[08:59] Glitteractica Cookie: Thanks for your continued volunteer service, mentors
[08:59] CarmenLittleFawn: ty
[08:59] Jen: We’re here to answer the question, What do you need to Know?
[08:59] Buffy Beale: thanks Jenelle
[08:59] Jen: OK, back to our regularly scheduled meeting
[08:59] Glitteractica Cookie: there is a twitter list of all NPC twitter handles. Bullaklak, is that on the @npsl twitter account page?
[08:59] Glitteractica Cookie: if not, it should be
[09:00] Glitteractica Cookie: (good project for volunteer or for zinnia)
[09:00] bulaklak: I will check.
[09:00] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, with that…. we have a speaker now
[09:00] bulaklak: But yes, if it’s not, I’ll make it happen.
[09:00] Glitteractica Cookie: thanks pal

Machinimart with Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe Salgado

[09:01] Glitteractica Cookie: Now, I’m happy to bring you all (well, technically, Zinnia did the work, but I’m happy to announce) Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe speaking about Machinimart !!
[09:01] Glitteractica Cookie: Gabe, please take a seat upfront
[09:01] Glitteractica Cookie: Give it up y’all!
[09:01] Glitteractica Cookie: WELCOME!!
[09:01] bulaklak: Welcome, Gabe!
[09:01] alebez: wahoo, gabe. welcome.
[09:01] CarmenLittleFawn: welcome 🙂
[09:01] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: thank you 🙂
[09:02] Jen: ********APPPLLLAAAUUUSSSEEE********
[09:02] Buffy Beale: Cheering!!
[09:02] Glitteractica Cookie: =^.^= Meow!
[09:02] Glitteractica Cookie: =^.^= Meow!
[09:02] bulaklak: lol
[09:02] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i’m really amazed to see how much goes on here, and what you all do
[09:02] CarmenLittleFawn: ggiggles
[09:02] Dancers Yao: welcome
[09:02] Glitteractica Cookie: (it’s my one trick)
[09:02] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: each and every one
[09:02] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so much, brought together in one place
[09:02] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so, my name’s Gabe Salgado in RL and I work with a company called Machinimart
[09:03] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i worked for many years in nonprofit education
[09:03] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: after having studied computer science and graphic design in college
[09:03] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: I started designing informal educational curricula
[09:03] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i was very passionate about it
[09:04] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: education meant a lot to me, reaching young people in ways that are relevant to them
[09:04] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but i sort of hit a wall
[09:04] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i started working with cultural material, music, video etc
[09:04] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: media related content that was meaningful to young people
[09:05] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but I will never forget the time when I tried to roll out a new video curriculum, only to discover that the agencies I worked with refused to update to the current version of Quicktime…
[09:05] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: meaning they could not view my videos
[09:06] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so, basically, that was the tension between technology and education.
[09:06] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: shortly afterwards, I joined a virtual world startup
[09:06] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: this was in 2007, when there was still a lot of hype about SL.
[09:06] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and a lot of investment in virtual worlds
[09:07] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: ever since, I have been involved in SL and other virtual worlds
[09:07] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: today, Machinimart does primarily 3 things.
[09:07] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: one is, machinima production as an artistic endeavor.
[09:08] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: secondly, we have several brands in SL, several franchises with lines of products
[09:08] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: thirdly, we do development of educational projects in SL.
[09:08] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the first (machinima) is not profitable at all, and it is purely artistic
[09:09] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the second (stores in SL) is fairly profitable, and is actually very interesting
[09:09] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: it’s not a major source of income, but we find it amazing that people are willing to pay for virtual goods….
[09:10] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the third (educational projects in SL) is what really consumes our time.
[09:10] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: because what we’re really concerned with, is:
[09:10] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: how can we harness the power of SL to reach people who are not familiar with SL?
[09:11] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: with our educational projects, we have two different categories
[09:11] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: corporate and academic
[09:11] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: examples.
[09:11] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: for corporate, we do training for companies
[09:11] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: new staff learn their jobs by performing them virtually in SL
[09:12] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: for academic, here we get very experimental
[09:12] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: build immersive environments as we are all familiar with here, and create an experience for students
[09:12] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: where every interaction is a learning experience.
[09:12] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: I’m going to talk about the challenges that come with working in SL.
[09:13] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: first of all, why SL? there are other platforms, right? why would anyone choose to learn in SL?
[09:13] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: anyone?
[09:13] Buffy Beale: it’s immersive?
[09:13] Ozma Malibu: it’s fun
[09:13] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, but warcraft is immersive, too, right?
[09:13] Hour Destiny: It’s where most of the people are that are in virtual worlds.
[09:13] Hour Destiny: Other than in MMOs.
[09:13] Buffy Beale: we can make things and take photos
[09:13] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and Grand Theft Auto is fun.
[09:14] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so what is it about SL?
[09:14] Buffy Beale: we can make money?
[09:14] Hour Destiny: One can also build and SL seems to have the best tools for that so far.
[09:14] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, Hour
[09:14] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: building
[09:14] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: not only can anyone who has the will come here and build
[09:15] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but professionals can lift something up here very fast
[09:15] Carl Solutionary: SL is a mature market ecosystem… you can buy anything.. and it’s on the cheap
[09:15] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: that’s another thing: assets
[09:15] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: you can buy what you need when you don’t have the time to make it
[09:15] Glitteractica Cookie: Yes, I chose to launch the techsoup nonprofit community in SL b/c it had critical mass, aong the virtual environs that allowed users to be flexible and create their own content
[09:15] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: or you can get it open source
[09:15] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: rezz it, there it is
[09:15] Glitteractica Cookie: this is the techsoup nonprofit community in SL, in case you didn’t know
[09:16] Glitteractica Cookie: we meet ppl where they are at
[09:16] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: a huge, rich world. you can build what you need, and you can buy other items to rez.
[09:16] Glitteractica Cookie: also, i was under the assumption that the platform would better integrate web on a prim, but that hasn’t really been the case so far, very well
[09:17] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so, I call this rapid prototyping. Let’s say an agency in RL wants to do something in a virtual world. in many cases, you can prototype it for them in just a few hours!
[09:17] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and in amazing quality sometimes.
[09:17] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: SL as a virtual world platform has that X-Factor.
[09:17] Glitteractica Cookie: yes, and the three dimensional aspects are found in SL but not many other spaces allow you to walk through an experience
[09:17] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, exactly
[09:17] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: totally immersive
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so now, the bad news
[09:18] Glitteractica Cookie: yes….?”
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: one of them is… the interface. the viewer.
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: I will come back to this
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but suffice it to say
[09:18] Hour Destiny: Horrible infrastructure and customer service?
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: most of what you see on your viewer, the interface
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: most of those controls
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: are not useful to everyday, RL people… casual users
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: students
[09:18] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the people you’re trying to reaach.
[09:19] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i will come back to the viewer issue later.
[09:19] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: secondly is the time
[09:19] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the time it takes to learn
[09:19] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and the time it takes to use
[09:19] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: time takes on a whole new meaning in SL
[09:19] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and something that people familiar with and devoted to SL have in common is they recognize this
[09:19] Hour Destiny: Learning curve.
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, it takes time to learn.
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hours to learn the basics
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hundreds of hours to learn advanced things…
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but not just that.
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: when you log in, time slows to a crawl
[09:20] Hour Destiny: I’m not the only Hour? 🙂 Sorry, couldn’t resist.
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: takes up to a minute to log in…
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hehe
[09:20] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: 😀
[09:21] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and once you’re in, people take the time to aclimate…
[09:21] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: check IMs, check your outfit, all that…
[09:21] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: time takes on a meaning that most people I know in RL aren’t willing to take
[09:21] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: Most of all, this might be our biggest challenge:
[09:22] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: I’ve found that people familiar with SL, those who know its strengths
[09:22] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: often are baffled by how “RL people” have no patience for SL’s shortcomings.
[09:22] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so there is a gap.
[09:22] CarmenLittleFawn: heheheh true
[09:22] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, it takes time to rez, yes, you have to rebake, you might crash, you might have to relog…
[09:23] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: we understand that
[09:23] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the rest of the world doesn’t have the patience for it.
[09:23] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so they miss out.
[09:23] CarynTopia Silvercloud: I am experiencing that with my board
[09:23] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: my concern is, how do we bridge that gap?
[09:23] CarmenLittleFawn: yes
[09:23] bulaklak: I remember my early experience with trying to buy new clothes and winding up wearing a giant box. I was ready to quit forever.
[09:24] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: The same way that SL people are forgiving of the learning curve, forgiving of the time it takes…
[09:24] Glitteractica Cookie: or worse, accidently flashing your colleagues and experiencing virtual shame and humilation
[09:24] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: we go a bit overboard. we forgive what is unforgivable to casual users… the ones who otherwise could really benefit from an experience here!
[09:25] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so i’ll give a case study
[09:25] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: Machinimart has been successful in bringing “RL people” (for lack of a better term) into SL for learning experiences
[09:25] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: in many cases.
[09:26] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: get them in, up and running, in 10 minutes, all the benefits, none of the frustrations…
[09:26] Hour Destiny: It’s usually easier to forgive what you understand better.
[09:26] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, that’s right.
[09:26] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the bottom line is, we know the benefits. so it’s all worth it to us to work through.
[09:26] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but there has to be a middle ground right?
[09:26] CarmenLittleFawn: yes
[09:26] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: what if we could cut the frustrations?
[09:27] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: get people straight in, and yes, demand that they learn some new skills, but really reduce the demand on them… and show the benefits.
[09:27] Hour Destiny: Put the Lindens in a dunking booth?
[09:27] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hehe
[09:27] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: by the way
[09:27] CarynTopia Silvercloud: that would be great!
[09:27] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes, the Lindens are the elephant in the room.
[09:27] Ricken Flow: you would have the find the lindens first lol
[09:27] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: occasionally they make a major move that really improves useability.
[09:27] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: more often than not, they miss the mark.
[09:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: they’re not 100% guilty.
[09:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: again, “SL people” tend to be forgiving of the bugs, the frustrations…
[09:28] Hour Destiny: They are certainly guilty of very lousy customer service.
[09:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: which sends the wrong message to LL. so they skimp.
[09:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and yes, Hour, they try but mostly fail at customer service.
[09:28] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i just accept this reality as it is.
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: sometimes they REALLY try
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: mostly it seems like they don’t… but it is what it is.
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so how do we make it work?
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hello Betsy, speak of the devil 😀
[09:29] Carl Solutionary: speak of the Lindens… wow! great timing Betsy!
[09:29] Betsy Linden: 🙂
[09:29] Hour Destiny: 1.5+ years and counting and no response to a paying customer is unacceptable.
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: hehe
[09:29] Glitteractica Cookie: I just TPd a Linden in
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니:    o/
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니:      ||   Yay!
[09:29] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니:     /
[09:29] Glitteractica Cookie: Betsy has offered to speak at a future meeting
[09:30] Glitteractica Cookie: but she’s not the guest today
[09:30] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so I will take one case of how we were able to make this work with high school students
[09:30] Glitteractica Cookie: I just wanted to give her asense of how we run meting
[09:30] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: how we succeeded, and how we failed.
[09:30] Betsy Linden: glad to be here , ty
[09:30] CarmenLittleFawn: Hello 🙂 Betsy
[09:30] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i felt I had a good grasp on how they would react and behave in the environment.
[09:30] Hour Destiny: Hello, Betsy.
[09:30] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: we even created a custom viewer
[09:31] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: with only the functions they needed.
[09:31] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: This was a well-funded project.
[09:31] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: good people working on it!
[09:31] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and we felt we took every concern into consideration.
[09:31] Glitteractica Cookie: who was the project for?
[09:31] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: had a welcome area (we have registration API)
[09:31] Ricken Flow: ( i think i worked on that project with Gabe on the teen grid
[09:31] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: oh, by the way, unfortunately, I’m under NDA for all my projects
[09:32] Glitteractica Cookie: oh ok, np
[09:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and yeah, Ricken, I worked on the old teen grid, so we might have worked together lol
[09:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so we had this great program, a custom viewer, the students could use it.
[09:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: thought we took everything into consideration
[09:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: a set of activities broken up by unit
[09:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: lessones
[09:32] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: *lessons
[09:33] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so one lesson was a puzzle.
[09:33] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: an educator designed it, not familiar with SL, and we implemented it.
[09:33] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: for the puzzle, the students need to find objects in a room.
[09:33] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: you get a hint
[09:33] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: “find an object that does this…. “
[09:33] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: you click on the object
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: if you get the right one, you have to find the next one…
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: until you find them all.
[09:34] Hour Destiny: Hidden object puzzle.
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes!
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i thought it was a great idea.
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i’ve played games like that
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: kids are familiar with them
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: it’s fun.
[09:34] Hour Destiny: I have a bunch of those on my iPhone.
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes. i’ve played iphone games with that also.
[09:34] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so we scripted it
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and before the students come to play it, we test it, of course.
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: you have to test it
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: we TPed people in to test….
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i tested it
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: we had at least 12 people test it, say “yeah!” thumbs up, it works.
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so the day comes, the students come in… and it breaks.
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: I have no idea what’s going on.
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: all the students are complaining
[09:35] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: they’re frustrated
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: they’re doing the right thing.
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: when you’re doing the right thing, and you’re told it’s wrong, it can be infuriating.
[09:36] Jen: Murphy’s Law
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: yes
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and this project went so well up to now!
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the teachers are not happy
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: which is to say nothing of the funders.
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: now, I will show you a picture.
[09:36] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: one moment…
[09:37] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니:
[09:37] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: this is the students, in the room
[09:37] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: looking for objects
[09:37] jacmacaire Humby: Sorry I have to go.. To all a very nice week-end.. 🙂
[09:37] Chayenn: bye jac
[09:37] CarmenLittleFawn: u also Jac bye
[09:37] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: by jac, thanx 😀
[09:37] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: does anyone notice anything about the picture?
[09:38] jacmacaire Humby: Bye everyone..
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i was there, by the way… only in retrospect do I realize the problem.
[09:38] Carl Solutionary: looks laggy… and I bet the objects are getting clicked alot
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i was watching this happen…
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: YES
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: objects clicked a lot.
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: why?
[09:38] Hour Destiny: What if more than one person clicks on the same object?
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: because people are used to instant feedback.
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: instantaneous gratification.
[09:38] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: whereas people who are used to SL are accustomed to clicking, waiting…
[09:39] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: you click… and then… wait for it… wait for it… there it is!
[09:39] Hour Destiny: And if someone sees someone else clicking on something, they’ll click it too. Follow The Leader type of thing.
[09:39] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: these people did great in our environment, until this challenge. where they had to wait 2 (gasp!) or more seconds for a response
[09:39] Buffy Beale: lol
[09:39] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: 5 seconds is a LOT for casual users
[09:40] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: think how many people have dropped SL altogether in less than 5 seconds!
[09:40] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but we are all used to the wait.
[09:40] Hour Destiny: ~8 seconds for webpages.
[09:40] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i’m using an example of where I failed to anticipate the behavior of RL students to illutrate our challenge
[09:40] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: now, really, the issue here was not just the wait… it was the fact that they POUNDED
[09:41] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: these objects with clicks
[09:41] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: each one causing more lag
[09:41] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: and also resetting the game!

[09:41] Hour Destiny: DDOS attack. 😀

[09:41] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: the way we scripted it, you click an object, and ok, you clicked it… click again, and it’s the wrong object…
[09:41] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i click “broom”, it expects me to click “bucket” next
[09:41] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: but
[09:42] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: i click “broom” 5 times… it resets the game for me five times.
[09:42] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: this is the gap between casual users (the people we want to reach with our good work) and those who are familiar with SL
[09:42] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: everything you know, everything you did to customize your avatar and to build your beautiful office here in this sim…
[09:43] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: is beyond the reach of average people… yet they have so much to benefit could they get just 20 minutes of learning here!

[09:43] Carl Solutionary: I’m wondering if this approach would work: touch_start() { llSay(0,”Congratulations! You have instant gratification…Please WAIT 5 seconds for your PRIZE to arrive! And next hint!” }

[09:44] Hour Destiny: Heh.

[09:44] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: it could… but guess what… people don’t pay attention to notifications!
[09:44] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: they just don’t.

[09:44] Ricken Flow: even before that i had some people that never been into a virtual world and was exciting about the project then they seen the size of the viewer and wouldnt download it said it was too big of a file for the computer
[09:44] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: we’re “trained” to out of habit, but there are so many challenges… we’re familiar with it. we can’t expect others to be.
[09:45] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: so, i hope this got you thinking… we need to design experiences for people without expecting them to go through what we’ve gone through.
[09:45] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: because, bluntly, they won’t.
Open Mic / Announcements

[09:46] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, so we need to move into open Mic announceents now, any closing remarks?

[09:46] bulaklak: Yes, all great stuff! And potentially also raising the bar for everyone’s expectations, too, not just newbies.

[09:46] Jen: raises hand

[09:46] Hour Destiny: Poor education/learning, poor critical thinking skills, lack of experience/knowledge, unrealistic expectations, and likely an entitlement philosophy, etc.

[09:46] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, thanks Gabe! Find him on twitter at @machinimart
[09:47] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, then we are ready for announcements to the larger group!

[09:47] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: ty 🙂

[09:47] Glitteractica Cookie: Jen– you are up!

[09:47] Carl Solutionary: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********

[09:47] Glitteractica Cookie: Thanks YOU Gabe, we’ll be in touch great job
[09:47] Glitteractica Cookie: Go ahead Jen

[09:47] Jen: Just a reminder, the Mentors meeting after this one

[09:47] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: thank you all for having me, really

[09:47] Dancers Yao: thank you….

[09:47] Jen: After a 5 minute break
[09:47] Jen: Thank you Gabe

[09:48] Glitteractica Cookie: Other announcements for the larger group?

[09:48] Namaara MacMoragh: Gotta run… thanks for a great presentation. bye

[09:48] Ricken Flow: raises hand

[09:48] Buffy Beale: fantastic Gaberoonie thanks so much

[09:48] Glitteractica Cookie: Yes, Riken, you are up

[09:49] CarmenLittleFawn: Yes Thank you very much 🙂

[09:49] Ricken Flow: this thursday we have a special common grounds at the sl9b parcel for nonprofit commons the theme will be white.

[09:49] Glitteractica Cookie: Can you tell those who don’t know what SL9B is?

[09:50] Ricken Flow: sl9b is the the 9th birthday celebration of Second Life
[09:50] Ricken Flow: it is put on this year by the residents of second life this year
[09:50] Ricken Flow: 10 sims

[09:50] Glitteractica Cookie: Betsy, do you have any remarks or comments on SL9B?

[09:50] Ricken Flow: of art projects

[09:50] bulaklak: I have a late-breaking TechSoup announcement if there is time.

[09:51] Hour Destiny: Will the lag be much less? I had to finally log due to the exteme lag Monday.

[09:51] Dancers Yao: Would like to remin would like to add to the infor for SL9B..Zinnia has also done a beautiful memorial story for my colleague, Kasuku Magic who recently died of cancer. Will send you a teleport if you want.

[09:51] Ricken Flow: after monday there should be less lag the performaces end monday

[09:51] Ozma Malibu: sure Dancers

[09:51] Glitteractica Cookie: where is the SL9B location?

[09:52] CarmenLittleFawn: I went it is laggy but very nice

[09:52] Ricken Flow: dancer can you share the slurl please

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: yes, please share the sim SLurl

[09:52] Buffy Beale: I have the LM if anyone wants

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: in open chat

[09:52] Betsy Linden: Thanks everyone for letting me pop in today, I’ll see you all soon 🙂

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, thanks Betsy

[09:52] CarmenLittleFawn: nice meeting u Take care Betsy

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: See you soon

[09:53] Glitteractica Cookie: Any more announcements for the larger group

[09:53] Buffy Beale: Nonprofit Commons – Wishes Granted: Stories of Positive Impact, FruitIslands SL9B Fun (133, 182, 21) – General

[09:53] Ricken Flow: yes

[09:53] Glitteractica Cookie: go ahead

[09:54] Hour Destiny: Buffy, that’s the sim I was trying to go to Monday but it kept bouncing me back to the sim to the east of it, where I had TP’d to since I couldn’t TP to that sim. 🙂

[09:54] Glitteractica Cookie: any more announcements?

[09:54] Ricken Flow: tomrrow at 3 pm at the sl9b auditorium broadway cares for hiv is having a fundraiser and talk if you want the LM let me know its with my other avatar

[09:54] Glitteractica Cookie: Dancers can share a LM with anyone

[09:54] Buffy Beale: yes Hour it seems the landing mark is set to one spot

[09:54] Glitteractica Cookie: or I can drop on eon you if you ask me now, as she shared it with me

[09:55] Glitteractica Cookie: any final announcements for the larger group?

[09:55] Buffy Beale: the NPC is just down the middle road a bit

[09:55] Glitteractica Cookie: What is the late-breaking news, Bulaklak

[09:55] bulaklak: Oh, it wcan wait until next week!

[09:56] Glitteractica Cookie: up to u

[09:56] bulaklak: yep let’s save it.

[09:56] Glitteractica Cookie: ok

[09:56] bulaklak: something to look foreard to
[09:56] bulaklak: hehe

[09:56] Glitteractica Cookie: Shall we call it a day?

[09:57] Buffy Beale: hehe bulaklak

[09:57] bulaklak: bye, all!

[09:57] Chayenn: bye bulaklak

[09:57] Glitteractica Cookie: I’d like to have you all send in your ideas to for a future meeting with Betsey Linden

[09:57] CarmenLittleFawn: Take care everybody 🙂

[09:57] bulaklak: thanks again gabe for the grat presentation

[09:57] Glitteractica Cookie: Thanks all

[09:57] Gᵃᵇᵉ 게이브루니: ty so much for having me

[09:57] Glitteractica Cookie: stay around for the mentors if you have time

[09:57] Buffy Beale: I have to leave early too so see everyone next week, yes
thanks Gab great presentation

[09:57] Glitteractica Cookie: bye
– End of Line –

Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Machinimart with Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe Salgado for June 22 Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

This Friday, June 22, Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe Salgado of Machinimart will be joining us at the Nonprofit Commons to share the power of stories in virtual environments captured as motion pictures called machinima.

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

June 22, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST

Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater


• 8:30am Introductions

• 8:40am TechSoup Announcements

• 8:45am Mentors Central

• 8:55am Machinimart with Gaberoonie Szondi / Gabe Salgado

• 9:30am Open Mic/ Announcements

About Gabe:
Gabe Salgado is Producer at Machinimart, a machinima and virtual world production studio currently based in South Korea. Although his training is in web development and motion graphics editing, he spent 6 years working in education before joining his first virtual world venture. As an educator, he created a series of acclaimed multimedia cultural programs, including “The Sticker Song Curriculum”—the first Jewish curriculum to go viral. He has been involved in virtual world technology since 2007 and has also developed many highly acclaimed programs on the Second Life Teen Grid, reaching students in schools and educational programs around the world. Although his background is multi-faceted, he has kept a single vision which has remained the same: to bring technology and education together in a way that opens up boundless opportunities for those that would otherwise remain outside of the know.

Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Transcript of the Nonprofit Commons Meeting with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond about “IP Respect” June 15, 2012

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting Transcript

June 15, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST

Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater

• • 8:30am Introductions
• • 8:40am TechSoup Announcements
• • 8:45am Mentors Central
• • 8:55am Intellectual Property Respect – A Virtual Artist’s Perspective with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond of Sequim Humanities and Arts Alliance
• • 9:30am Open Mic / Announcements

[08:31] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you all for joining us this morning at
the Nonprofit Commons!

[08:31] Nany (nany.kayo): Great to be here.

[08:31] Zinnia Zauber: As folks are arriving, please be sure to
welcome new faces and old friends.
[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: I am getting some IMs that people can’t TP here.
[08:32] Zinnia Zauber: So, if you see some of our friends inworld,
please keep sending them TPs

[08:33] Nany (nany.kayo): Several people here I did not get a chance
to meet while I was busy with a class this year. Nice to see you!

[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: Let me share with our Agenda for today.

[08:33] CarmenLittleFawn: Hello

[08:33] Zinnia Zauber: AGENDA
• 8:30am Introductions
• 8:40am TechSoup Announcements
• 8:45am Mentors Central
• 8:55am Intellectual Property Respect – A Virtual Artist’s
Perspective with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond of Sequim
Humanities and Arts Alliance
• 9:30am Open Mic / Announcements


[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: With that, let start with Introductions!

[08:34] Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Bridges for Women, Victoria BC Canada, @bridges4women

[08:34] Panny Bakerly: Jeanne Booth, Freeport Historical Society,
Freeport, NY; @FrptHisSoc

[08:34] HB Eternal: Harold W Becker, The Love Foundation, Florida, @lovefoundation
[08:34] HB Eternal: Go Buffy!

[08:34] Buffy Beale: lol HB slipped 🙂

[08:34] bulaklak: Michael DeLong, online community manager, TechSoup
Global,, @MichaelDeLongSF @TechSoup

[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: Please share who you are, what org you are
with, and web links. Please

[08:34] Glitteractica Cookie: Susan Tenby, Online Community and Social
Media Director, TechSoup, SF, CA USA @suzboop @npsl @techsoup

[08:34] Nany (nany.kayo): Nancy K McDonald Miller, Virtual Native Lands

[08:34] trichetriche: Hi, my name is Bea, I recently joined TechSoup
as a Community Curator for the Global Local Impact map. I’m really
excited about this project and will share more with you during the
open mic announcements. @trichetriche @techsoup

[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond, Sequim Humanities
and Arts Alliance, Sequim, Olympic Peninsula, Washington. @renneemiko

[08:34] Chayenn: monique richert, Protect Yourself 1, Inc, Baltimore
Maryland, PY1.Us,, @PY1US

[08:34] Zotarah Shepherd: BEACH College, Santa Rosa, CA

[08:34] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett, Elder Voices, Los Angeles, CA
Health Care and Human Rights

[08:35] alebez: Ale Bezdikian, Online Community Coordinator, TechSoup,
SF, @TechSoup, @alebez

[08:35] Jen (jenelle.levenque): Bruce Hestley, Transgender American
Veterans Association, Akron, OH,

[08:35] Buffy Beale: Yay Trichetriche and welcome!

[08:35] CarmenLittleFawn: drivebyagony/Keeping Kids Safe, Lorna
Hawkins Los Angeles California

[08:35] trichetriche: Thanks!

[08:35] Brena Benoir: Brenda Bryan, Preferred Family Healthcare,
Kirksville, Missouri, @brenabenoir

[08:35] Ethelred Weatherwax: Dave Dexter, Neenah Historical Society,
Wisconsin USA

[08:36] Adrianne Lexico: Adriana Sanchez. I don´t belong to any
organization. I´m interested in intellectual property and wanted to
learn more about your work in SL.
[08:36] Adrianne Lexico: I´m from Argentina.

[08:36] Glitteractica Cookie: Welcome Adrianne

[08:36] Adrianne Lexico: ty

[08:36] Zinnia Zauber: While you all are doing introductions, if you
are also a Nonprofit Commons Mentor, could you please say so? That way
during the meeting people can connect with you if they are new or have

[08:37] Hour Destiny: Morris Cox, Nonprofit Commons Mentor, Mesquite,
Nevada, USA

[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Hour!

[08:37] Serene Jewell: Kathleen Watkins, maker of various media, San Francisco

[08:37] Lyssa (janlyssa.serenity): Lyssa Rowan, Job
Accommodation Network, @JANatJAN

[08:38] Hour Destiny: You’re welcome. 🙂

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: We have a Mentors Meeting after this meeting to
help people, so please connect with these amazing people!
[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: More introductions?

[08:39] Nany (nany.kayo): Hi, Jac!

[08:39] CarmenLittleFawn: Hi Jacmacaire

[08:39] Adrianne Lexico: Hello

[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Great to see you all here!
[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Okay

[08:39] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with
the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons blog:



Google Group:

Google Calendar:


About TechSoup:

Weekly Networking Event: Wharf Ratz, Aloft, Tuesdays, 7-9pm SLT
Aloft Nonprofit Commons (168,223,23)

Monthly Networking Event (3rd Thursday): Common Ground, Plush, 5PM-7PM SLT
Plush Nonprofit Commons (128,229,26)

[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: small group today… did the announcements go out?

[08:40] bulaklak: I got one

[08:40] Nany (nany.kayo): me too

[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: maybe it’s just that everyones on vacation

[08:40] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, I sent them on all the channels.

[08:40] bulaklak: Thanks for pasting the links, Zinnia

[08:40] Buffy Beale: I got it too Z

[08:40] Kali Idziak: Oops, late… Jessica Dally, Springwire (formally
Community Voice Mail) Seattle, WA

[08:40] jacmacaire Humby: Jacques Macaire Humanbe Action Tank and Council on Sustainable
Development France and International @Humanbe

[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: hmm … must be that it’s perfect
weather in so many places!

[08:40] Hour Destiny: Or suffering hangovers from Flag Day. 🙂

[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: LOL hour

[08:41] bulaklak: That never stops our team from showing up….

TechSoup Announcements

[08:41] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s have our TechSoup Announcements

[08:41] Glitteractica Cookie: WHAAA??!

[08:41] bulaklak: Howdy, folks!

[08:41] Buffy Beale: yay bulaklak

[08:41] CarmenLittleFawn: Hello

[08:41] bulaklak: I hope everyone is enjoying their Fridays thus far.
[08:41] bulaklak: We’ve got a lot of great events on the horizon at TechSoup

[08:41] Nany (nany.kayo): I am!

[08:42] bulaklak: But first I wanted to let you all know that the end
of our fiscal year is coming up at the end of this month

[08:42] Hour Destiny: Does TechSoup order from TechSoup? 😀

[08:42] bulaklak: What does that mean? It means that if you haven’t
yet maxed out your 2011 allotment of TechSoup donations, there is
still time!
[08:43] bulaklak: Many of our donor partners hit the reset button on
July 1, so request before then to make sure you are getting everything
you are entitled to for this year.
[08:43] bulaklak: (And then start requesting again on July 1. Hehe.)
[08:44] bulaklak: Hour, we don’t actually. We do get a certain
allotment of software from our donor partners but it’s not through the
donation program.
[08:44] bulaklak: At any rate, there is a lot more info on fiscal year end here
[08:45] bulaklak:
[08:45] bulaklak: Okie doke on to events.
[08:45] bulaklak: Next week, we are co-producing a webinar with the
folks from Eventbrite and Social Media for Nonprofits
[08:45] bulaklak: You will be able to learn how to use social media to
get the most out of your events
[08:46] bulaklak: Join us on June 20 for that one, at 11am Pacific.
Register here:
[08:47] bulaklak: The following day, June 21, we are having a
cross-timezone tweet chat on the topic of data. More and more it’s
becoming apparent how crucial it is that we as social benefit orgs are
getting our data out there in front of decision makers
[08:47] bulaklak: This tweet chat will talk about how you can use your
org’s data to become part of that conversation
[08:47] bulaklak: This blog explains more, as well as how to join a
tweet chat in case that’s new to you
[08:48] bulaklak:
[08:48] Hour Destiny: “Dashboard Your Data” could be the name of it.
[08:48] bulaklak: The hashtag is #npdata and we’ll be convening at 10am Pacific
[08:48] bulaklak: That’s a great idea, Hour. We are usually not so
creative with titles at TechSoup. We’re kinda straightforward. But I
love your suggestion.
[08:48] bulaklak: Okay folks, that’s all I’ve got for today!

[08:48] Glitteractica Cookie: good stuff

[08:48] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[08:48] bulaklak: Thank you for listening and enjoy the rest of the meeting.

[08:49] CarmenLittleFawn: ty

[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: Glitter, you wanted to share as well, please.

[08:49] bulaklak: Oh!

[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: Sure

[08:49] bulaklak: Sorry I had one last announcement

[08:49] bulaklak: But I can wait

[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: You guys arm wrestle for it.

[08:49] bulaklak: LOL

[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: I just wanted to say, first of all,
athat we are all happy to have Zinnia on board as our interim
community manager, as much as we miss Rik
[08:49] Glitteractica Cookie: (Bulaklak, just a sec)

[08:50] Chayenn: yes we are

[08:50] bulaklak: Yay, Zinnia!

[08:50] Chayenn: thank u zinnia

[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: and we have a few opportuntiies to build
on past systems that may need we re-examining

[08:50] trichetriche: welcome

[08:50] Glitteractica Cookie: so, for example, the NPC group versus
the TechSoup inworld group

[08:50] CarmenLittleFawn: congrats Zinnia

[08:51] Brena Benoir: Woot Zinnia!

[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: we have two groups, one for the
community and the other (the nonprofitcommons group) is for “resident”
members who have offices
[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: the techsoup group is for the larger community

[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: 🙂

[08:51] Glitteractica Cookie: we can re-examine if this arrnagement
still makes sense, but I wanted to at least clarify how it is
[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: so you all can know that the Nonprofit
commons group is supposed to be for resident information, and
informataion pertaining to more involved members and mentors, etc
[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: the techsoup group was originally
intended for larger community stuff
[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: i would be interested in conflating
these if that were possible and made sense
[08:52] Glitteractica Cookie: And Zinnia and I will discuss this

[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: 🙂

[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: but for now, let’s just keep that in
mind, so we all know what the community is behind each group
[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: That’s all for me

[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Glitter!

[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: Bulaklak… you were starting to say?
[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: (you’re welcome)

[08:53] bulaklak: Yes, I would like to welcome our newest team member

[08:53] Glitteractica Cookie: oh yes

[08:53] bulaklak: This is her first time inworld today

[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: woo hoo welcome trichtriche

[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome!

[08:54] alebez: wahooo! trichetriche

[08:54] CarmenLittleFawn: hello trichetriche welcome

[08:54] Panny Bakerly: Hi ya!

[08:54] trichetriche: Thanks you! Everyone has been so sweet. Very cool

[08:54] jacmacaire Humby: welcome.. 🙂

[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: can yo ucome down to the front, so folks
can see you?

[08:54] Serene Jewell: Hi tri

[08:54] bulaklak: I believe she is having some rezzing issues (not
uncommon at first, I remember how awkward it was for me at first!) so
please give her a warm welcome

[08:54] Buffy Beale: yayy trichetriche

[08:54] Sarvana Haalan: Sally S. Cherry, Baltimore, MD

[08:54] trichetriche: I’m struggling a bit with my avatar
[08:54] trichetriche: 🙁

[08:54] Hour Destiny: Hello, trichetriche. I’m a Morris of all trades.

[08:54] bulaklak: We’ll work with you on that!

[08:54] Glitteractica Cookie: if you right click on stool next to
bulaklak you can sit there

[08:54] trichetriche: once I get the hang of it I’ll get on over there

[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: We all understand and are here to help!

[08:55] Glitteractica Cookie: just right click on that stool and select sit here

[08:55] trichetriche: I’m also having graphic issues

[08:55] bulaklak: I think maybe she can’t see the stools right now, just water

[08:55] Glitteractica Cookie: ah, it happens

[08:55] trichetriche: so I’m not able to see them

[08:55] Serene Jewell: We’ve all been through it.

[08:55] Glitteractica Cookie: oh, ok no prob

[08:55] bulaklak: At any rate, trichetriche if you want to give a
brief description of your work at TechSoup

[08:55] Glitteractica Cookie: yes, we’ve all been there

[08:56] trichetriche: Sure, I don’t want to be disruptive so I’m happy
to wait till the end

[08:57] bulaklak: Okay we can wait and do that during the
announcements so you can tell everyone about the stories you are
[08:57] bulaklak: Moving on for now . . .
[08:57] bulaklak: Oops I meant open mic

[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: We look forward to learning more!

[08:57] bulaklak: Anyway, take it away Zinnia

[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

Mentor Central and Intellectual Property Respect – A Virtual Artist’s Perspective with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond of Sequim Humanities and Arts Alliance

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: The good news is that Mentors Central blends in
with my talk today.

[08:58] Sarvana Haalan: woot!!

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: Before I start, I want to remind everyone that
the NPC Mentors are here to help you out and we do mini lessons and
share during Mentor Central.

[08:59] Buffy Beale: cheering for youZ!

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!
[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: So! Let’s get started!
[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: Intellectual Property Respect – A Virtual
Artist’s Perspective with Zinnia Zauber
[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: You can find the slides here for later……

[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: I am an artist, instructor, and superhero
promoting the importance of creative education and community
participation in the arts that are active and inclusive.
[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: I teach art, computer, digital media, and
social media use through Peninsula College, as a Lecturer and
Education Mentor for the University of Washington Certificate in
Virtual Worlds Program, and conduct workshops for TechSoup’s Nonprofit
Commons on branding, marketing, event production, and social media
[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: I create art, apparel, and virtual goods that
embrace the empowerment of brilliant hues, individualism, and
[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: I am thankful to get to share with you all today!

[09:02] Sarvana Haalan: Wooot…. Zinnia!!!!

[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: Disclaimer: I am an artist, instructor, and
Arts advocate, not a lawyer. The information contained in this
presentation is provided for informational purposes only, and should
not be construed as legal advice on any subject matter.
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: I can be heavy handed when it comes to
Intellectual Property Respect because I have had my work stolen – at a
young age – and I used to run an artists’ resource office for the
nonprofit Artists’ Equity.

[09:02] Ethelred Weatherwax: You’re sounding like a lawye!

[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: lol Eth!
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: It is important to me and I am thankful you are
interested in learning more.
[09:02] Zinnia Zauber: Why do people not recognize the rights of
creative people?
[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: It is a simple issue of lack of respect for the
professions of those who create. It is a legitimate job with results
that last long after a civilization has ended.
[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: Everything you interact with that is human made
has art, design, culture, and invention embedded in it. Thank you for
supporting creative expression and valuing those who create it!
[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: You will find that I ask you questions along the way…
[09:03] Zinnia Zauber: Encourage the Dos and the Do Not’s through
responsible and respective behavior.
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: Lead by example.
Claiming ignorance is unacceptable.

[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: A great resource online about legal information
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: Or find your local lawyer for the Arts –

[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: What do you value or earn?

Respect, Self-worth, Money
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: What do you get in return?
[09:04] Zinnia Zauber: Recognition for your accomplishments,
admiration from your peers, friendship, and cool stuff.
[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: Do you own your efforts?

[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: How would you feel if someone stole your stuff
or your income or your reputation?

[09:05] Hour Destiny: Willful ignorance is unacceptable.

[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: Is that legal behavior?

[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: Right, Hour.

[09:05] Sarvana Haalan: It happens much too often 🙁

[09:06] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): (yes, Nolo’s great)

[09:06] Nany (nany.kayo): There is another side to this issue I hope
to bring up.

[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: You all can help. disingenuous actions are hard
for us to understand.
[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: When it comes to Intellectual Property, there
is no gray area. It is black and white.

[09:06] Nany (nany.kayo): dont think so, Zinnia

[09:06] Zinnia Zauber: Taking without permission is stealing.
[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Arrrg! Do you know pirates?
[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: People often tell me that they think because
images, writing, music, or video is on the web or in a virtual world;
it is free for them to take. Absolutely not! It is thievery unless the
creator of the work has given you permission.

[09:07] Nany (nany.kayo): Museums claim property rights to things they
did not create

[09:07] Sarvana Haalan: I prefer “written permission” before using
content both ways.

[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, Nany, I think we will have to address that
issue sometime.

[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Respect, Professionalism, Integrity, and Understanding
[09:07] Zinnia Zauber: Requirements to value Intellectual Property Rights.
[09:08] Zinnia Zauber: You can not have truth without an agreement. A
handshake is an accord. Respect is value.
[09:08] Zinnia Zauber: What is intellectual property?
Ideas and creative assets become property once they can be touched,
seen, heard, and felt.

[09:08] Zinnia Zauber: When a light bulb in your head, becomes one in
your hand. So, it has to somehow escape from your brain and become a
tangible medium of expression.

[09:08] Hour Destiny: Technically, ideas cannot be intellectual property. 🙂

[09:09] Zinnia Zauber: right Hour

[09:09] Zinnia Zauber: Four ways to protect different types of
intellectual property:

[09:09] Zinnia Zauber: What is a Copyright?
Copyright is a form of protection grounded in the U.S. Constitution
and granted by law for original works of authorship fixed in a
tangible medium of expression. Copyright covers both published and
unpublished works.

[09:09] Zinnia Zauber: What is a Patent?
A patent is a grant issued by the United States government giving the
inventor the right to exclude all others from making, using, or
selling their invention. There are three kinds of patents: utility,
design, and plant.

[09:09] Zinnia Zauber: What is a trademark?
A trademark is a distinctive word, phrase, symbol, or design which
identifies specific goods or services as those produced or provided by
a certain person or enterprise.

[09:10] Zinnia Zauber: What is a Trade Secret?
A trade secret can be any formula, compilation of information,
pattern, or device which benefits a business and can give an advantage
over their competitors.

[09:10] Zinnia Zauber: How are those slides rezzing for you guys?

[09:10] Ageliki Mekanic: ok

[09:10] Serene Jewell: they look good

[09:10] Hour Destiny: Anonymonity and punishments that seem excessive
seem to be two of the main reasons for piracy. Not to mention

[09:10] Zinnia Zauber: Super, thank you!
[09:10] Zinnia Zauber: I am going to focus on copyrights for this
presentation. I will cover what can have a copyright, how to get a
copyright, length of rights, public domain, fair use, Creative Commons

[09:11] Zinnia Zauber: What types of creative work does copyright protect?
Any original “fixed in a tangible medium of expression” which means
that the work must exist in some kind of physical form for at least
some period of time. That includes any recorded media or your
computer’s random access memory (RAM).

[09:11] Zinnia Zauber: Some examples include: Artistic – architectural
designs, digital media, graphic designs, paintings, photographs,
[09:11] Zinnia Zauber: Literary – educational materials, novels, plays, poetry…
Performances – choreography, music, sheet music, sounds… Recorded
media – games, movies, music, software, videos…

[09:11] Zinnia Zauber: Are creative ideas protected?
[09:11] Zinnia Zauber: No.
Once a creative idea becomes tangible, then it can be protected.

[09:11] Hour Destiny: Emails…

[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: yes, Hour – emails and they are legal docs…

[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: The copyright is a legal device that provides
the creator the rights to control how their protected work is used.
Those rights involve the reproduction right, distribution right,
performance and display rights, and the right to create adaptations
(or derivative works).

[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: How do I copyright my work?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and
fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or
with the aid of a machine or device.
[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: You have the © (copyright) once you make the
idea actual. Once it is tangible.

[09:13] Zinnia Zauber: Why would I register my copyright?
To protect your works and if you needed to take legal action.

[09:13] Zinnia Zauber: How do I register copyright of my work?
[09:13] Zinnia Zauber: $35 – Online registration of a basic claim in
an original work of authorship (electronic filing)
Lots more services and forms there…

[09:13] Zinnia Zauber: A valid copyright notice should contain:

the word “copyright”

a “c” in a circle ©

the date of publication

the name of either the author or owner of the copyright rights in the
published work.
[09:14] Zinnia Zauber: Remember, once you create something – it has a copyright.

[09:14] Zinnia Zauber: How long does a copyright last?
For works published after 1977, the copyright lasts for the life of
the author plus 70 years.
Works published after 1922 but before 1978 are protected for 95 years
from the date of publication.
[09:14] Zinnia Zauber: All works published in the United States before
1923 are in the public domain.

[09:14] Zinnia Zauber: What is the public domain?
It refers to creative materials that are not protected by intellectual
property laws such as copyright, trademark, or patent laws.
[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: You should presume that every work is protected
by copyright unless you can establish that it is not. Just because you
don’t see a ©, you know it has a copyright if it is created after

[09:15] Hour Destiny: Don’t forget Fair Use rights.

[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: Do your research and remember copyrights can be renewed.
[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: I will cover that!
[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: 🙂
[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: This disrespectful statement pisses me off,
have you heard it?
“I rather beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.”
[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: That is disingenuous laziness and illegal behavior.
“Cuff him, Dano!”

[09:15] Jen (jenelle.levenque): Can be expensive too

[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: yes!

[09:16] CarmenLittleFawn: yes

[09:16] Zinnia Zauber: Do you feel like you are restricted by these
copyrights to protect the creators?
[09:16] Zinnia Zauber: Maybe you want to make something in a virtual
world, don’t have the ability to make original works of your own. You
have options.
[09:16] Zinnia Zauber: You understand the rights creators have over
their works, so how can you use their work to create your own?

[09:16] Zinnia Zauber: Respect creators’ rights and discover how you
can create as well.
[09:17] Zinnia Zauber: Take a class and learn to make it yourself!
It is easier than ever to create unique works yourself!
[09:17] Zinnia Zauber: If you know how to use your phone camera, BAM!
You have a means to create amazing textures that you can bring
[09:17] Zinnia Zauber: No one needs to know that stunning sofa in your
office started out as a close up of your favorite polar fleece. Or,
was it some pound cake?

[09:17] Hour Destiny: As I sit here with an Optimus Prime avatar…

[09:17] Zinnia Zauber: hehe, right…

[09:18] Zinnia Zauber: Support creators…
[09:18] Zinnia Zauber: Buy works that you have the license to use.
[09:18] Zinnia Zauber: When you buy a piece of art, like a painting,
you do not have any reproduction rights. That is the right to make
copies of a protected work.
You only have the right to hang it on your wall.
[09:18] Zinnia Zauber: The artist owns the reproduction rights while
you own the painting.
Unless it is stated in the sales contract that the purchase includes
the reproduction rights. Don’t assume anything, contact the artist for
[09:18] Zinnia Zauber: Always ask!
[09:18] Zinnia Zauber: Most people don’t understand these rules.
[09:19] Zinnia Zauber: Some artists don’t know their rights either.
[09:19] Zinnia Zauber: Licensed works will have terms of service in
writing that explains permitted use of the work and details
stipulations. Creators may want to maintain the integrity of their
works and express restrictions.

[09:19] Sarvana Haalan: It’s hard to get folks to understand the rules. 🙁

[09:19] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, but that is why we are discussing it. To help them!
[09:19] Zinnia Zauber: A good example of that in virtual worlds are
textures. The creator of a texture might state do not resell or
distribute these as textures. Resell only as part of a build. So you
have bought a license to use the textures, not sell the textures on
their own.
[09:19] Zinnia Zauber: Read the fine print…
[09:20] Zinnia Zauber: ask the creator…
[09:20] Zinnia Zauber: Creative Commons license, let’s the creator
keep their copyright, but gives a way to let people use, copy, and
distribute works.
[09:20] Zinnia Zauber: Do you guys know about the Creative Commons?

[09:20] CarmenLittleFawn: no

[09:20] Zotarah Shepherd nods

[09:20] Zinnia Zauber: Later, check out…
[09:20] Zinnia Zauber: This is a great video explaining what the
Creative Commons offers…

[09:21] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): yes

[09:21] CarmenLittleFawn: ty

[09:21] Zinnia Zauber: I am going to try to get a speaker to discuss
that for us someday.
[09:21] Zinnia Zauber: CC instead of c
[09:21] Zinnia Zauber: Different licenses include: Attribution,
Attribution-ShareAlike, Attribution-NoDerivs,
Attribution-NonCommercial, Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike, and
[09:21] Zinnia Zauber: Fair Uses – a limitation and exception to the
exclusive right granted by copyright law to the author of a creative
[09:21] Zinnia Zauber: Violations of fair use occurs when the use of
copyrighted work is used for commercial gain.

[09:22] Glitteractica Cookie: I can help you get a speaker to talk to that

[09:22] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Glitter

[09:22] Nany (nany.kayo): Good idea

[09:22] Zinnia Zauber: Uses That Are Generally Fair Uses:
Nonprofit educational uses
Research and scholarship
News reporting
Criticism and comment
Non-commercial use is often fair use.
Benefit to the public may be fair use.
[09:22] Zinnia Zauber: How’s that Hour?

[09:22] Ozma Malibu: We used Creative Commons works for the Helios
science classes, Z. That’s where I found the images for the
instruction for physics etc.

[09:23] Zinnia Zauber: Super, then we really should line that up!
[09:23] Zinnia Zauber: I see this violation all the time at craft
fairs when vendors are selling items that contain licensed characters
– like Disney characters.
[09:23] Zinnia Zauber: They will by fabric with those characters and
it states clearly in the selvage (the edge of the fabric) “This
product intended for non-commercial home use only.”

[09:23] Hour Destiny: What about books in audio format? What if
someone is blind and needs an audio format?

[09:23] Zinnia Zauber: That means that whatever is made out of the
fabric isn’t licensed for resale. So, the maker of the potholder is
violating the rights of the fabric creator if they sell the potholder.

[09:23] Glitteractica Cookie: TechSoup is published under creative commons

[09:23] Zinnia Zauber: Needless to say, people break the laws. So, I
encourage folks at the craft fairs to educate themselves.

[09:23] Zinnia Zauber: Good question on the audio… I think more and
more talks are coming up!

[09:24] Glitteractica Cookie: here is an oldie but goodie article from
TechSoup 2008 about creative commons: what it is, how to use it:

[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: I get asked this all the time, “If I change
something enough, like with Photoshop, can I use it for myself without
the permission of the creator?” I always picture in my head
Michelangelo’s “The Creation of Adam “ on the Sistine Chapel ceiling.
My answer is, “If you are creative enough, make something new
[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you, Glitter!

[09:24] Glitteractica Cookie: no prob

[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: Derivative or “derivative work” is defined as
work based on one or more preexisting works that are transformed or

[09:24] Hour Destiny: 30% changes.

[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: Nearly everything is a derivative of something.
[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: Transformativeness – work must sufficiently
transforms the expression of the original work that the new work is no
longer “substantially similar” and does not infringe the copyright in
the original.
[09:25] Zinnia Zauber: So, we know we can make changes…
[09:25] Zinnia Zauber: and make it our own
[09:25] Zinnia Zauber: but, I like people really making things on their own.
[09:25] Zinnia Zauber: I get to teach more classes that way!
[09:25] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[09:25] CarmenLittleFawn: love it

[09:25] Zinnia Zauber: Virtual Rights are Real Rights

Content in Second Life is any works of creative authorship that
includes text, scripts, applications, programs, gestures, animations,
video, music, sounds, images, photos, textures, graphic design,
primitives, and objects.

[09:26] Zinnia Zauber: Everything here is ART!
[09:26] Zinnia Zauber: right?
[09:26] Zinnia Zauber: we are all pieces of work
[09:26] Zinnia Zauber: some more than others
[09:26] Zinnia Zauber: 😉

[09:26] CarmenLittleFawn: lol

[09:26] Zinnia Zauber: Appreciate your own significance.
If you license your work, you retain legal ownership of the work
(copyright) while someone else can produce, duplicate your imagery on
merchandise, and sell your item.
[09:27] Zinnia Zauber: Depending on the written contract, when you
grant the license, you can receive a royalty. That is an ongoing
payment based upon a percentage of the income from the licensed work.
[09:27] Zinnia Zauber: How many of you here create in SL?

[09:27] Zotarah Shepherd: I do

[09:27] CarmenLittleFawn: I am going to

[09:27] jacmacaire Humby: not fool 🙂

[09:27] Zinnia Zauber: Don’t be shy!

[09:27] Brena Benoir: I have before

[09:27] Buffy Beale: I do

[09:28] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[09:28] CarynTopia Silvercloud: I am trying to learn how

[09:28] Zinnia Zauber: wonderful!

[09:28] Jen (jenelle.levenque): Raises Hand

[09:28] Zinnia Zauber: Great!

[09:28] Serene Jewell: yes

[09:28] Hour Destiny: I wish content owners overall were more open to
alternative expressions.

[09:28] CarmenLittleFawn: I also have a copyright, but have learned a
lot more about it here today from you

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: Then, you know how important it is to protect
your efforts.

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: Second Life / Linden Lab Terms of Service
Content Licenses and Intellectual Property Rights

[09:29] Dancers Yao: yes

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: thank you Carmen!

[09:29] Ozma Malibu: Zinnia you are good at raising awareness and
ENTHUSIASM! I want to go out and take photos right now! I just need to
think of a project to put them in. 🙂

[09:29] Nany (nany.kayo): everybody is welcome to steal anything I create here.

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: You retain any and all Intellectual Property
Rights in Content you upload, publish, or create in Second Life.
You grant certain Content licenses to Linden Lab and users of Second
Life by submitting your Content to publicly accessible areas.

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: lol Nany

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: If you violate other’s Intellectual Property
Rights, your access to Second Life will be terminated.
[09:29] Zinnia Zauber:

[09:29] Nany (nany.kayo): It’s true. Ask me and I will give you a copy
of anything I make, full perms

[09:29] Sarvana Haalan: you are saying that we as content creators
need to copyright our creations?

[09:30] Sarvana Haalan: what about photos?

[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: the moment you make it, it has a copyright.

[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: Linden Lab Official: Snapshot and machinima policy
[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: If you wish to take a snapshot or capture
machinima of content on another Resident’s land, then you need the
Land Owner Consent. Check the Land’s covenant for details.

[09:30] CarmenLittleFawn: oh ok

[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: On the Mainland or Linden owned land, you can
take snapshots without permission, but you do need it to capture
[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: Ask permission of each avatar too.…

[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: So, that can be overwhelming… I know!
[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: Ask Permission and give credit!
[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: I did a machinima of artists friends in Second
Life and requested permission to film the artist and their works.
[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: When I do presentations to promote Second Life,
I ask permission to use photos of them.
[09:32] Zinnia Zauber: I also created my own artwork based on an
avatar with that avatar’s permission.
Thank you to Filthy Fluno!

[09:32] Zinnia Zauber: The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is
a United States copyright law that criminalizes production and
dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to
circumvent measures that control access to copyrighted works.

[09:32] Zotarah Shepherd: (He is one of SLs great artists)

[09:32] Zinnia Zauber: If you discover your work is being distributed
online or inworld without your permission, file a DMCA notice with the

[09:32] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, Filthy Rocks!

[09:33] Zinnia Zauber: Learn more!
Be Respectful!
Embrace Personal Responsibility!
Support Creatives!
Be Brilliant!
Unlock your own unique creativity!
Thank you very much!

[09:33] Zinnia Zauber: Be Advocates of Awesomeness!

[09:33] Hour Destiny: Poor Drextor Despres.

[09:34] Buffy Beale: this was just great Z, thank you!

[09:34] Zinnia Zauber: Okay! That was a lot of text and info!
[09:34] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[09:34] Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Z

[09:34] CarmenLittleFawn: very informative and important Thank you so much 🙂

[09:34] trichetriche: Thanks

[09:34] Glitteractica Cookie: thanks zinnia

[09:34] Adrianne Lexico: Excellent presentation!!! THANKS, Z!!!

[09:34] Dancers Yao: excellent,,,than you so important

[09:34] Zinnia Zauber: So, I wanted to give us a chance to discuss… as well.

[09:34] bulaklak: Thank you, Zinnia! Great knowledge and advice.

[09:35] Brena Benoir: Woot Zinnia. Thank you for sharing and educating
us on topics that impact us everyday.

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you, this is very important to me.

[09:35] Ageliki Mekanic: Thank you! Great!

[09:35] Serene Jewell: Thanks so much for doing this, Zinnia.

[09:35] Jen (jenelle.levenque): Excellent presentation

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: So, let me ask you some questions…

[09:35] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): Thanks Zin!

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: Do you think that everything online is free for
you to take and use?

[09:35] CarmenLittleFawn: no

[09:35] Zotarah Shepherd: no

[09:36] Brena Benoir: no

[09:36] trichetriche: nope

[09:36] Jen (jenelle.levenque): NO

[09:36] bertique: i have seen a lot of pictures taken in sl on
flickr… many people protect them buy copyrights… i find it is…
stupid.. beacause sharing is caring

[09:36] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): Not everything.

[09:36] Hour Destiny: Unless you get caught… 😀

[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: okay, so I see that some people want to see
more sharing…

[09:36] CarmenLittleFawn: well I like the idea of being creative

[09:36] bertique: i never protect my pics made inworld. i would be
greatful, if somebody finds my pics so good so that he or she will
repost them

[09:37] Nany (nany.kayo): agree

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: That is why the Creative Commons is for you guys!

[09:37] bertique: i am a JOOOMLA fan
[09:37] bertique: i love open source products

[09:37] trichetriche: I love Creative Commons

[09:37] bertique: i really do not understand creative commons

[09:37] Nany (nany.kayo): and if the person using those photos is not
selling them, that is fair use, isnt it?

[09:37] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): ditto.. fan of the CC

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: I think we will really have to do some talks
about that in the future!

[09:37] bertique: because it is some times tricky to understand

[09:38] Buffy Beale: Question: Z how do we license our avatars and can we?

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: yes, there are many choices there.

[09:38] Sarvana Haalan: Back… I crashed

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: You can trademark your avatar

[09:38] CarmenLittleFawn: really
[09:38] CarmenLittleFawn: how?

[09:38] Buffy Beale: wb Sar 🙂

[09:38] Zotarah Shepherd: I am fine with folks using my creations, I
would not however want them stolen from me as their own so I could not
use them.

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: Draxtor did
[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: I am in the process of doing it.
[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: I am doing an art project about that process.

[09:38] CarmenLittleFawn: did he?

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: yes

[09:39] CarmenLittleFawn: cool
[09:39] CarmenLittleFawn: I would be interested when u find out

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: He and I are discussing how we can share that
process together.

[09:39] Nany (nany.kayo): Seems petty to fret about someone using some
little bit of junk I make in SL.

[09:39] CarmenLittleFawn: great 🙂

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: So, that will be another talk!!!

[09:39] Buffy Beale: that’s great and would be a good session

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: Awesome!

[09:39] Adrianne Lexico: yes, definitely

[09:39] CarmenLittleFawn: yes it would be

[09:39] Hour Destiny: A MMO (Massively Multiplayer Online game) that
is free-to-play will still infringe on IP even if it is free.

[09:39] Nany (nany.kayo): LL can easily grab it and wipe it out at any time.

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: True Nany

[09:39] Sarvana Haalan: what is you bought your avatar an dmade major
modifications, can you trademark or copyright it?

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: true
[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: Well, can we agree that I will have to prepare
another talk about the avatar issues?

[09:40] CarmenLittleFawn: yes indeed

[09:40] bertique: sure

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: I did a talk about that at FCVW this year.

[09:40] Sarvana Haalan: *what if…

[09:40] Buffy Beale: I’d like to know about trademarking an avatar so sure

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: It is very important stuff.

[09:40] Zotarah Shepherd: If you made the skin and shape then you
should be able to trademark your avatar. I am not quite that creative

[09:40] Sarvana Haalan: great idea

[09:41] CarmenLittleFawn: yes it is important

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, Buffy is my star when it comes to avatar branding.

[09:41] bertique: hm
[09:41] bertique: may i ask one question?

[09:41] Buffy Beale: that’s easy cause Zinnia made my skin 🙂

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: Please

[09:41] bertique: it is very important to me

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: 🙂

[09:41] Sarvana Haalan: coool!!

[09:41] bertique: what does “commercial use” means?
[09:41] Zotarah Shepherd: I’d know Buffy anywhere without seeing her tag

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: That means to earn income from.

[09:41] trichetriche: buying and selling

[09:41] Adrianne Lexico: seems like we have another talk ahead, Zinnia!

[09:41] bertique: if i create a website and use it privatly, it is
not.. ok, but if i place some ads there?

[09:42] CarmenLittleFawn: hehehee

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: So, like if music is playing in a store…

[09:42] Buffy Beale: 🙂 worn this outfit since I started

[09:42] Adrianne Lexico: you have to tell us more about trademarking avatars! 🙂

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: that is also commercial use

[09:42] Zotarah Shepherd: I know : )

[09:42] bertique: :((

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: and people have to pay to play

[09:42] CarmenLittleFawn: yes u have Buffy 🙂

[09:42] CarmenLittleFawn: yes they do Zinnia

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: I am so excited you guys are interested in more!

[09:42] Adrianne Lexico: we always are!

[09:42] Adrianne Lexico: :

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: yay!

[09:42] CarmenLittleFawn: I am 🙂

[09:42] HB Eternal: and yes, Buffy washes her outfit regularly

[09:42] bertique: it’s a great topic

[09:42] Buffy Beale: not easy running around as a little green fairy I
can tell you that lol

[09:43] Adrianne Lexico: lol

[09:43] CarmenLittleFawn: heheheeh

[09:43] Zinnia Zauber: But, I want to be sure we get a chance to
handle our whole agenda

[09:43] Buffy Beale: with all the gorgeous others here
[09:43] Buffy Beale: lol HB, at least weekly

[09:43] Zinnia Zauber: so how about you guys share with me more topics
you would like covered.
[09:43] Zinnia Zauber: and we will work on that!
[09:44] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you for this chance to share with you and
the slides are here
[09:44] Zinnia Zauber:…

[09:44] Adrianne Lexico: sure.

[09:44] Hour Destiny: 3d game development. 😀

[09:44] Zotarah Shepherd: Identity theft too

[09:44] Buffy Beale: I’d like to hear from some of the NGOs here, mini
presentations on the org

[09:44] Adrianne Lexico: fair use in education

[09:44] Zinnia Zauber: Super ideas!!!

[09:44] CarmenLittleFawn: yes 🙂

[09:44] Zinnia Zauber: Keep them coming and email too at renneemiko(AT)gmail(DOT)com
[09:44] Zinnia Zauber: Okay!

[09:44] CarmenLittleFawn: ok

[09:44] Zinnia Zauber: Open Mic / Announcements
[09:45] Zinnia Zauber: Who has some?

[09:45] Adrianne Lexico: seems like the law is sometimes different
depending where you live.

[09:45] Glitteractica Cookie: I like Buffy’s idea, esp if those
stories refer to uses of tech by the org. Good for the pruposes of
trichetriche too

[09:45] Adrianne Lexico: thank you, Zinnia!

[09:45] Buffy Beale: Z a tip… use renneemiko[at]gmail[dot]com and
you’ll avoid the trollers 🙂

[09:45] trichetriche: Thanks everyone for being so welcoming

[09:45] Adrianne Lexico: thank you all.

[09:45] Buffy Beale: x out your email addy before posting to the web

[09:45] Zinnia Zauber: You are more than welcome! It is my passion to
educate and encourage!
[09:45] Zinnia Zauber: thank you, Buffy

[09:46] Sarvana Haalan: Excellent presentation… How are Nonprofits
members using the 3D technology other than their NPC office and

[09:46] Zinnia Zauber: Trolls love me

[09:46] Adrianne Lexico: need to leave now. goodbye! bye Nanny
[09:46] Hour Destiny: Would like a way for nonprofits to more easily
bring their staff up to update on various issues including IP.

[09:46] Buffy Beale: bye Adrianne

[09:46] Nany (nany.kayo): bye, Adrianne!

[09:46] Zinnia Zauber: Great

[09:46] Adrianne Lexico: goodbye

[09:46] CarmenLittleFawn: bye Adrianne

[09:46] Adrianne Lexico: from rainy Buenos Aires, Argentina

[09:46] Zinnia Zauber: Does any one have Open Mic items?

[09:46] CarmenLittleFawn: Thank you again Zinnia for a great presentation

[09:46] Sarvana Haalan: I do

[09:46] trichetriche: I do

[09:46] Buffy Beale: Z can we talk about the SLB NPC display?

[09:47] bertique: thanks a lot

[09:47] Sarvana Haalan: I do

[09:47] Buffy Beale: Second Life birthday display

[09:47] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, Sar
[09:47] Zinnia Zauber: go for it

[09:47] Sarvana Haalan: Much to my delight a local colleague write
about my presentation, “Capabitility through 3D Virtual Worlds” at the
Tech and Social Change Meetup in Baltimore, MD USA last month.She
include the provided information and links to TechSoup and the
Nonprofit Commons. Her article was linked on her Facebook page.

[09:47] Buffy Beale: wow that’s great Sar!

[09:47] trichetriche: congratulations

[09:48] CarmenLittleFawn: nice 🙂

[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Wonderful!

[09:48] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): yes, congrats

[09:48] Sarvana Haalan: did that transmit?

[09:48] CarmenLittleFawn: yes

[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: yes
[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!
[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, trichetriche…

[09:49] trichetriche: Thank you
[09:49] trichetriche: TechSoup has an exciting new initiative in
partnership with Microsoft called the Local Impact Map, and we will
love for you to be a part of it. We want to showcase the amazing work
nonprofits and NGO’s are doing with donated technology; we are looking
for stories from nonprofits around the world who have benefited from
TechSoup’s technology donations and resources. If you have a story to
share or know any other nonprofits who do email:, and if you have any questions or want to
learn more email me
[09:49] trichetriche: Please take a moment and explore the map to see
how organizations are showcased
[09:50] trichetriche: I look forward to hearing from you and hope we
can work so that other people around the world can see the great work
you do. 🙂

[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[09:50] CarmenLittleFawn: Thank you 🙂

[09:50] trichetriche: I’m also going to be asking for help and
patience while I familiarize myself with SL. 🙂

[09:50] CarmenLittleFawn: 🙂

[09:50] Zinnia Zauber: Have you seen my slides on starting in SL trichetriche?

[09:51] trichetriche: not yet

[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: I’ll get that to you!

[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, Buffy
[09:51] Zinnia Zauber: SL9B

[09:51] trichetriche: Thank you! and again email me your stories

[09:51] Buffy Beale: that’s great trichetriche, since the office space
is donated by TechSoup we all should have a story 🙂
[09:51] Buffy Beale: the Nonprofit Commons space 🙂

[09:52] Glitteractica Cookie: Hey Sarvana, I’m just looking over this
great article, but there are a few corrections we’d like to make, for
ex, you don’t need to be a 501c3 to have a space here. And I’d like to
share a senstence or two about how to get technology products from
techsoup. in
can you connect with the author, and so we can
guide her a tad?

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: sorry, trichetriche
[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: Did you have more?

[09:52] trichetriche: nope that is all
[09:52] trichetriche: thank you

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: super
[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: thank you
[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: Buffy, yes

[09:52] Buffy Beale: ok Z

[09:52] Zinnia Zauber: We have our Wishes Granted space at SL9B

[09:53] Buffy Beale: SL9B is the Second Life birthday celebrations

[09:53] CarmenLittleFawn: nice

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: I will have more to share next week on that.

[09:53] Buffy Beale: hundreds of displays of orgs from all over Second Life

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: Have you guys attended it before?

[09:54] Nany (nany.kayo): yes

[09:54] CarmenLittleFawn: Welcome back Sarvana

[09:54] Buffy Beale: so it’s a great opportunity for the NPC to get
some exposure

[09:54] Ozma Malibu: yes!

[09:54] Nany (nany.kayo): lol

[09:54] Zotarah Shepherd: I have

[09:54] CarmenLittleFawn: yes I have

[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: Please feel free to hang out at our space and
talk with people.

[09:54] Serene Jewell: yes, it is a great way to see some of the
wonderful things going on in SL

[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: It is a great way of connecting and showing off.

[09:54] Dancers Yao: yes…what are the dates?

[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: I am looking for the site

[09:55] Sarvana Haalan: I keep crashing today 🙁

[09:55] CarmenLittleFawn: Welcome back 🙂

[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: sorry

[09:56] Sarvana Haalan: did my open mic comment get transmitted before
I crashed?

[09:56] Zinnia Zauber:

[09:56] Buffy Beale: darn that Sar and yes it did

[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: yes, we got that.

[09:56] CarmenLittleFawn: yes

[09:56] Sarvana Haalan: great

[09:56] Buffy Beale: So Zinnia is there any help needed for the NPC display?

[09:56] Jerry Buchko (jerrybuchko): (topping off my coffee… brb 😉

[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: SL9B Opening & Keynote 18th June 11am SLT
[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: yes, I could use some help.
[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: Let’s talk about it after 11
[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, any other Open Mic?

[09:57] Sarvana Haalan: I was so pleased to see that she included the
TechSoup info for local orgs

[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: SL9B Exhibits close 27th June
[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: super, Sar
[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: Okay!
[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: So thank you all for attending this meeting!

[09:58] Buffy Beale: thanks Z great job

[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: I will miss you guys next time because of my
college reunion.

[09:58] CarmenLittleFawn: Thank you Zinnia

[09:58] Zinnia Zauber: I am doing a lecture there at the same time as
our meeting.

[09:59] Buffy Beale: livestream it in?

[09:59] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you all so much and Mentors Meeting is after this.

[09:59] Nany (nany.kayo): Thanks, Zinnia. Interesting topic with a lot
still to be said.

[09:59] Dancers Yao: thanks Zinnia

[09:59] Zinnia Zauber: yes lots more to come!
[09:59] Zinnia Zauber: Here are our links…
[09:59] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with
the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons blog:



Google Group:

Google Calendar:


About TechSoup:

Weekly Networking Event: Wharf Ratz, Aloft, Tuesdays, 7-9pm SLT
Aloft Nonprofit Commons (168,223,23)

Monthly Networking Event (3rd Thursday): Common Ground, Plush, 5PM-7PM SLT
Plush Nonprofit Commons (128,229,26)

[09:59] Glitteractica Cookie: ok, bye all. See you next week

[09:59] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you and please take care!

[09:59] alebez: Thank you, Zinnia! This was great. And thank you all.
Have a great day.

[09:59] Glitteractica Cookie: thanks Z

[09:59] trichetriche: Thanks

[10:00] CarynTopia Silvercloud: thanks!


Written by: Zinnia Zauber

“Intellectual Property Respect” with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond for June 15 Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting

“Intellectual Property Respect – A Virtual Artist’s Perspective” with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond of Sequim Humanities and Arts Alliance

This Friday, June 15, we are featuring award-winning Arts Advocate, Artist, and Instructor Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond (Zinnia Zauber in SL) and President of the Sequim Humanities and Arts Alliance . To foster expression and professionalism, Renne encourages the recognition of Intellectual Property use, permission, and protection through responsible and respective behavior. Learn and share your new knowledge about how ideas and creative assets become appreciated property this Friday.
Join us on Friday June 15 starting at 8:30 AM SLT / PST at the Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater.

Nonprofit Commons Weekly Meeting
June 15, 2012, 8:30 AM SLT / PST
Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater

• 8:30am Introductions
• 8:40am TechSoup Announcements
• 8:45am Mentors Central
• 8:55am Intellectual Property Respect – A Virtual Artist’s Perspective with Zinnia Zauber / Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond of Sequim Humanities and Arts Alliance
• 9:30am Open Mic/ Announcements

About Renne:

Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond is an artist, instructor, superhero, and advocate for awesomeness who empowers people to be their best virtual and tangible self by advancing excellence, exceptional pursuits, and individualism through creative expression and encouraging instruction with inspired results.

Since 1993, Renne has taught college level art and digital media, including Photoshop before layers. Renne has been teaching virtual world application, collaboration, community building since 2008 with University of Washington, Peninsula College, Arizona State University, Federal Consortium for Virtual Worlds Conference, Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education Conferences, TechSoup Global, Nonprofit Commons, Virtual Ability, Rockcliffe University Consortium, Texas Woman’s University Online Conference, and Second Life Community Conferences.

In 2009, she graduated from the first pioneering class of the University of Washington Certificate in Virtual Worlds Program, was the Educational Mentor for the Classes of 2010 & 2011, and a team leader of the graduate collaborators, Avalumni. Renne earned her Bachelors of Science in Art at Lewis & Clark College and her Masters of Fine Art in Visual Art at Vermont College at Norwich University.

Her company, unique as you, specializes in color perception, intention, and utilization to create motivating, engaging experiences with innovative identity development, marketing, social media, events, and immersive environments for businesses, nonprofits, educational institutions, organizations, and communities.

As a nonprofit establisher, board officer, and volunteer of several Arts organizations, Renne only uses her superpowers for good.

Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Transcript of the Nonprofit Commons Meeting with Paul Preibisch / Fire Centaur of Avatar Classroom on June 8, 2012

What follows is an unedited transcript of the Nonprofit Commons meeting held on June 9, 2012. Read on for the full transcript….

Nonprofit Commons Meeting

June 8, 2012, 8:30 AM PST

Plush Nonprofit Commons Amphitheater


[08:32] JerryBuchko: yes, good mornings all around 🙂

[08:32] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, sorry that we didn’t broadcast the announcements through the usual channels this week. We are having some rough spots with the transition, but we’ll be back in full glory next week, with all announcements etc

[08:33] Buffy Beale: sounds good Glitter

[08:33] Tuty Inkpen: Hi Glitter and Buffy!

[08:33] Glitteractica Cookie: Zinnia is here and ready to take on the community management duties and we’re here to help her

[08:33] Buffy Beale: Hiya Tuty 🙂

[08:33] Glitteractica Cookie: Hi Donna

[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you everyone for helping me along!

[08:34] Tuty Inkpen: Congrats Zinnia!

[08:34] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, with that…

[08:34] Buffy Beale: yay Z!

[08:34] HB Eternal: Fridays will now be color coded – right Zin?

[08:34] Parhelion Palou: First order of business … paint everything orange
[08:34] Zinnia Zauber: hehe

[08:34] Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Bridges for Women, Victoria BC Canada, @bridges4women

[08:34] Glitteractica Cookie: Will you please say your real life name, nonprofit org affiliation, location in the physical world, URL, twitter handle and anything else you care to share?

[08:34] Buffy Beale: oooo darn sorry

[08:34] HB Eternal: Harold W Becker, The Love Foundation, Florida, @lovefoundation

[08:34] Chayenn: Monique Richert, Protect Yourself 1, Inc ., Baltimore , MD, PY1.US, , @PY1US

[08:34] Panny Bakerly: Jeanne Booth, Freeport Historical Society, Freeport, NY; @FrptHisSoc

[08:35] Zinnia Zauber: Renne Emiko Brock-Richmond, Sequim Humanities and Arts Alliance, Sequim, Olympic Peninsula, Washington. @renneemiko

[08:35] Parhelion Palou: Walt Whitman, TechSoup contractor & generic volunteer, north of Baltimore, MD, no website, never a twitter

[08:35] Jenelle Levenque: Bruce Hestley, Transgender American Veterans Association, Akron, OH,

[08:35] Ethelred Weatherwax: Dave Dexter, Neenah Historical Society, Wisconsin USA

[08:35] alebez: Ale Bezdikian, Online Community Coordinator, TechSoup, SF .Ca. @TechSoup, @alebez

[08:35] Glitteractica Cookie: Susan Tenby, Online Community and Social Media Director, TechSoup, San Francisco, CA USA @techsoup @suzboop

[08:35] Sister Abeyante: Sister Patrice Colletti, SDS Milwaukee, WI *** @SisterAbeyante *** @TechTips4Usds *** as well as a volunteer with Virtual Ability, Inc.

[08:35] Tuty Inkpen: Donna Marie Johnson, Social Networking Mentor and President of WAHMs WIN community-benefit and advocacy organization to help reduce poverty for women in Atlanta – @WWAHHMpreneur Connect with me at

[08:35] jacmacaire Humby: Hi everyone

[08:35] Dancers Yao: Kara Bennett, Elder Voices, Los Angeles, CA Health Care and Human Rights

[08:35] Zotarah Shepherd: BEACH College, Santa Rosa, CA

[08:35] Buffy Beale: hi jac 🙂

[08:35] bulaklak: Michael DeLong, Online Community Manager, TechSoup, @TechSoup, @MichaelDeLongSF, San Francisco,

[08:35] JANLyssa Serenity: Lyssa Rowan, Job Accommodation Network, Morgantown WV, @JANatJAN

[08:35] jacmacaire Humby: Hi Buffy

[08:36] Ricken Flow: Ricky Davis, San Antonio, TX USA, @dyverse_steele DJ, hiv/aids peer support

[08:36] Adalace Jewell: Corine Van Hellemont, RoSa Library Brussels, Belgium. @adalace

[08:36] In Kenzo: Evonne Heyning in Los Angeles for a few more days – @amoration

[08:36] jacmacaire Humby: Jacques Macaire HUMANBE Action Tank and Council on Sustainable Development France and International @Humanbe

[08:36] JerryBuchko: Jerry Buchko | Private Practice (Personal Finance Counseling, Coaching, & Tutoring via Telepresence) | Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA | | @jerrybuchko

[08:36] Glitteractica Cookie: WB creech, it’s been a while

[08:37] Creech Antwerp: Thanks

[08:37] Ronnie Rhode: Denise Harrison, The Garden for the Missing, and SLURL Remora (203,148,21), Project Jason, assistance for families of the missing,

[08:37] Mimika Bracula: Mimika Panagiotarou, postgraduated student in Greece and volunteer and first time

[08:37] Buffy Beale: wow Creech I’ll say, great to see you!

[08:37] Glitteractica Cookie: Can someone post the links to the places to find us btw meetings

[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: Did everyone get a chance to introduce themselves?

[08:37] Buffy Beale: yay Mimika!

[08:37] Jenelle Levenque: Welcome Mimika

[08:37] Zinnia Zauber: Here are the many ways to can get involved with the Nonprofit Commons in Second Life:

Nonprofit Commons blog:



Google Group:

Google Calendar:


About TechSoup:

Weekly Networking Event: Wharf Ratz, Aloft, Tuesdays, 7-9pm SLT
Aloft Nonprofit Commons (168,223,23)

Monthly Networking Event (3rd Thursday): Common Ground, Plush, 5PM-7PM SLT
Plush Nonprofit Commons (128,229,26)

[08:38] Rhiannon Chatnoir is Joyce Bettencourt, Boston area, creative gal for, soon to be grad student at @SingularityU & this fall community manager here at @NPSL – & @RhiannonSLU

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: Sorry, that is a long list. lol

[08:38] Glitteractica Cookie: We post that list every week

[08:38] Glitteractica Cookie: Does someone have our list

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: But, great ways of how you can connect with the Nonprofit Commons online and inworld.

[08:38] bulaklak: Someone already posted it

[08:38] Zinnia Zauber: I posted it.

[08:38] Glitteractica Cookie: oh i missed that

[08:39] Glitteractica Cookie: any more introductions

[08:39] Buffy Beale: lol surprised it didn’t light up your screen Glitter

[08:39] Buffy Beale: like it did mine 🙂

[08:39] Eme Capalini: Eme Capalini, Virtual Ability

[08:39] Glitteractica Cookie: nope, the trees in the background are going crazy and flashing so something is odd with my viewer today

[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: Any final introductions for the final group?

[08:40] Glitteractica Cookie: OK, with that, Zinnia… take it away

[08:40] Rhiannon Chatnoir has had that issue before too.. the linden trees that flicker into focus and then not again

[08:41] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!

[08:41] Kali Idziak: Jessica Dally, Springwire (new name!) seattle, WA

TechSoup Announcements

[08:41] Zinnia Zauber: It is time for our TechSoup Announcements!

[08:41] bulaklak: Hi, gentle people! Always a pleasure to be here on a Friday.

[08:42] bulaklak: We have an exciting new hire on our team whom I hope you will meet soon. Here name is Bea Dominguez and she will be collecting stories of technology being used in mission-based work (you know, that TechSoup kinda thing.) So . . . get your stories ready for her because she will stop by now and again and want to hear them from you.

[08:43] bulaklak: We have a few great events coming up in the next few weeks.
[08:43] bulaklak: If you ever wanted to know how nonprofits can really benefit from social media, now is your chance.
[08:43] bulaklak: In a free webinar on June 20 co-produced with Eventbrite and Social Media for Nonprofits
[08:43] bulaklak: We’re really excited about this one
[08:44] bulaklak: And here is ye olde link. Please register!
[08:44] bulaklak:
[08:44] bulaklak: A few other webinars coming up . . .
[08:44] bulaklak: One is going to show you how to be a spreasheet wizard. I know you all love spreadsheets. That one is on June 14 and here is the link
[08:45] bulaklak:

[08:45] In Kenzo: Come….webinar….with… It’s a great way to learn quickly!

[08:45] bulaklak: And finally on June 21, we have a webinar on fundraising. An always-important topic for mission-based orgs.
[08:45] bulaklak:
[08:45] bulaklak: Oops, sorry that is the same link
[08:45] bulaklak: Here is the other one!
[08:46] bulaklak:
[08:46] bulaklak: And speaking of events
[08:46] bulaklak: (last announcement I swear)
[08:46] bulaklak: If *you* have a nonprofit tech related event you want to share with our community
[08:47] bulaklak: Please add it to this Upcoming calendar
[08:47] bulaklak:
[08:47] bulaklak: We stream this calendar in a few places on the TechSoup site, so our community sees these events
[08:47] bulaklak: It’s also a great place to find events in your area!
[08:47] bulaklak: Thanks, folks. Have a great day!

[08:48] Buffy Beale: thanks bulaklak these look great

[08:48] In Kenzo: Thanks Bukalak!

[08:48] JerryBuchko: thanks bulaklak!

[08:48] Zinnia Zauber: Super, thank you bulaklak!

Mentors Central

[08:48] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, now it is time for Mentors Central

[08:49] bulaklak: Yay, Mentors!

[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: If you don’t know about the Mentors… I want you to meet them.
[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: The NPC Mentors are here to help you and share information.
[08:49] Zinnia Zauber: Can the Mentors please say Hi to everyone?

[08:50] Tuty Inkpen: Hi Mentors! *waving* Thanks for all you do.

[08:50] Jenelle Levenque waving

[08:50] talkwithmarie: helo everyone:) gtsy all!

[08:50] Zinnia Zauber: The Mentors meet after this meeting, but they are also here for you anytime.

[08:50] Sister Abeyante: Is there a list somewhere?

[08:50] Parhelion Palou: It’s in a locked file cabinet under the sim

[08:51] talkwithmarie: hehe

[08:51] JerryBuchko: lol

[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: We use Mentors Central as a means to share with info that will make your time inworld successful.
[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: hehe

[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: Yes, Sister, I think we are updating our list on the wiki.

[08:51] Sister Abeyante: Excellent

[08:51] Zinnia Zauber: Right now I am the chair, so you can always contact me.

[08:51] Buffy Beale: hi everyone

[08:52] Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Buffy

[08:52] Zinnia Zauber: Next week I will talk about IP RIghts.

[08:53] Buffy Beale: 🙂

[08:53] HB Eternal: Z is more a sofa than a chair – she brings everyone together

[08:53] JerryBuchko: hey Buffy

[08:53] Buffy Beale: lol HB

[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: lol Thanks, HB.

[08:53] Zinnia Zauber: I also wanted to take this moment to let you know that NPC will be part of the Second Life 9 Birthday Celebration.

[08:54] Zinnia Zauber: Are there any other orgs doing that event?

[08:54] talkwithmarie: yay!

[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: I am looking for that link…
[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: We will showcase our “Wishes Granted” project at the celebration.

[08:55] Ricken Flow:

[08:55] Zinnia Zauber: So I want to say thank you to everyone for your support on that.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: THank you, Ricken.

[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: One more thing for Mentor Central, please share with us what you want to learn.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: We have a great group of educators and we want to use their brains.
[08:56] Zinnia Zauber: Brains….

Paul Preibisch / Fire Centaur of Avatar Classroom with SLOODLE

[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: Now I would like to introduce our main speaker.
[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: Fire, can you please join me up here?

[08:57] Fire Centaur: sure
[08:57] Fire Centaur: Im coming

[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you
[08:57] Zinnia Zauber: This is Paul Preibisch / Fire Centaur of Avatar Classroom .

[08:58] bulaklak: Welcome, Fire!

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Quick bio of Fire

[08:58] Buffy Beale: yay Fire!

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Paul Preibisch graduated from Simon Fraser University in Computing Science. He spent 5 years teaching English in South Korea, and is now living in Tokyo Japan, where he works as a full time web-developer and programmer for an e-learning software company.

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Paul has had an island in Second Life since 2006, and was a lead developer of the SLOODLE project in 2009-2010. Paul has been an active presenter for educational conferences in Second Life including several SLanguages from 2006-2011. Paul has also presented across Korea at several Korean Kotesol conferences in 2011.

[08:58] JerryBuchko: Tokyo, awesome! 🙂

[08:58] Zinnia Zauber: Paul is currently working with Edmund Edgar on the Avatar Classroom (, a turn key Moodle / Sloodle solution to connect 3d classrooms with quizzes, assignments, and role play activities.

[08:58] Tuty Inkpen: Welcome Fire!

[08:59] Glitteractica Cookie: come sit up front, Fire

[08:59] Zinnia Zauber: I think SL is being tough on all of us this morning.

[08:59] Rhiannon Chatnoir: he is on his way back up front

[09:00] Fire Centaur: Hi , sorry, please fogive, my SL is not liking me today!

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Fire for joining us today

[09:00] Rhiannon Chatnoir: can grab a seat up on the green chairs

[09:00] Fire Centaur: waiting for avatars to rez in so I dont sit on your lap!

[09:00] Glitteractica Cookie: yes, please sit in the front

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: Lots of people are interested in what you do

[09:00] Glitteractica Cookie: the stools in the front

[09:00] JerryBuchko: 🙂

[09:00] Zinnia Zauber: Yay!

[09:01] Fire Centaur: ok i think im not sitting on anyones lap

[09:01] Glitteractica Cookie: nope, you are fine

[09:01] Zinnia Zauber: Go for it Fire, you are all set!

[09:01] JerryBuchko: you’re good 🙂

[09:01] Fire Centaur: ok great!
[09:01] Fire Centaur: Hi everyon!!!
[09:01] Fire Centaur: nice to see you!~

[09:01] Buffy Beale: nice to see you too Fire

[09:01] Fire Centaur: thanks for inviting me back to speak with you all
[09:01] Fire Centaur: its 12:30am here in Tokyo!
[09:01] Fire Centaur: getting hot in this part of the world already

[09:02] Rhiannon Chatnoir waves hello to Japan

[09:02] Fire Centaur: for those of you whom I havent met yet,
[09:02] Fire Centaur: my name is Paul preibisch

[09:02] Tuty Inkpen: Since you’re Fire sounds like you can take the heat. lol

[09:02] Fire Centaur: haha

[09:02] talkwithmarie: hehe

[09:02] Tuty Inkpen: I’m in Atlanta … called HOTlanta

[09:02] Fire Centaur: right Donna, I chose this name specifically because the heat usually gets to me!
[09:02] Fire Centaur: I am an elearning developer from Vancouver Canada, currently living in Tokyo Japan. I am a graduate in Computer Science, from Simon Fraser University, and have been working with Moodle for about 7 years now.

[09:03] Buffy Beale: ohh yay a Canadian 🙂

[09:03] Fire Centaur: Im really glad to be here at NPC with you – thanks to Rik for inviting me
[09:03] Fire Centaur: Ys, I miss Vancouver a lot! I will be back there in August though to escape the Tokyo heat!
[09:04] Fire Centaur: Today, I want to talk with you about a project Ive been workign on for over a year now in Tokyo

[09:04] Glitteractica Cookie: great

[09:04] Fire Centaur: with another SL user named Edmund Edgar
[09:04] Fire Centaur: Edmund Earp in Second Life

[09:04] Rhiannon Chatnoir: Fire is the person to ask all of your Moodle/Sloodle questions to after he finishes chatting

[09:04] Fire Centaur: both of us are origional developers in the SLOODLE project
[09:05] Fire Centaur: How many of you here are familiar with MOODLE?

[09:05] Zinnia Zauber: me

[09:05] Rhiannon Chatnoir raises hand

[09:05] Lotta Flux raises hand

[09:05] JerryBuchko: yes vaguely

[09:05] JerryBuchko: understand that it’s an LMS

[09:05] Ozma Malibu: yes

[09:05] Fire Centaur: ok this is great

[09:05] Buffy Beale: I am

[09:06] Fire Centaur: looks like we have a few people

[09:06] Jenelle Levenque: I have no clue

[09:06] Fire Centaur: well… very quickly,

[09:06] Glitteractica Cookie: i know moodle

[09:06] Fire Centaur: MOODLE is a software you can install on your webserver,
[09:06] Fire Centaur: that once installed, is a teacher / student website
[09:06] Fire Centaur: (Learning Management System)
[09:06] Fire Centaur: where teachers can assign logins for their students
[09:07] Fire Centaur: or students can sign into
[09:07] Fire Centaur: and then particpate in online activituies
[09:07] Fire Centaur: like chat rooms
[09:07] Fire Centaur: group forums
[09:07] Fire Centaur: quizes
[09:07] Fire Centaur: assignements
[09:07] Fire Centaur: submit online papers
[09:07] Fire Centaur: etc
[09:07] Fire Centaur: since it is an LMS
[09:07] Fire Centaur: every activity is linked to the grade book

[09:07] Tuty Inkpen: so similar to ning but it’s on your own server
[09:07] Fire Centaur: so a teacher can assign grades etc

[09:07] Fire Centaur: yes

[09:08] Jenelle Levenque: We had something like that at college

[09:08] Tuty Inkpen: (I am a homeschool educator, so this could be useful for us. Definitely want to know more.)

[09:09] Ozma Malibu: The gradebook part is important for the teacher to organize the classroom.

[09:09] Fire Centaur: MOODLE is opensource

[09:09] Rhiannon Chatnoir: yay!

[09:09] Tuty Inkpen: sweet!

[09:10] Fire Centaur: meaning it is completely free
[09:10] Fire Centaur: and many programmers can commit new features to it
[09:10] Fire Centaur: so the whole community beneift
[09:10] Fire Centaur: its licensed under GPL3

[09:10] Ethelred Weatherwax: I disagree. I dislike “open source” because it means you need a certain level of technical skill. And usually your own server

[09:10] Fire Centaur: as is SLOODLE
[09:11] Fire Centaur: MOODLE has a core philosophy

[09:11] Creech Antwerp: I am a fan of open source

[09:11] Fire Centaur: which you can read about here;

[09:11] In Kenzo: Many open source technologies do not require your own server and can be very easy to use.

[09:11] Fire Centaur: briefly, it is:
[09:12] Fire Centaur: All of us are potential teachers as well as learners – in a true collaborative environment
we are both.

[09:12] Rhiannon Chatnoir: Ethelred, there are some hosting companies, like DreamHost, that have one click installs of common open source software, such as Moodle, to make it easy to set up a base install

[09:12] Fire Centaur: 2) We learn particularly well from the act of creating or expressing something for others to
[09:12] Fire Centaur: 3) We learn a lot by just observing the activity of our peers.

[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: Fire, if you turn on your Nonprofit Commons Group Tag, then you can Rez your slideshow.

[09:12] Fire Centaur: thanks zinnia

[09:12] Creech Antwerp: Eth – you can also fairly easily get volunteers who can help you with setup.

[09:12] Tuty Inkpen: I use hostgator and think they may have moodle on quick install … will look into it

[09:12] Zinnia Zauber: You are welcome, we want to see your goods!

[09:13] Ozma Malibu: Educators like Moodle because it’s less commercial, Ethelred, not just to make money but designed for good pedagogy, and more fun to use than other LMSs.

[09:14] Fire Centaur: im sorry, I think I must relog –

[09:14] Tuty Inkpen: Yes, as a home educator, non-commercial online resources are important … so many ads on most of the free sites and they are just awful and crash my older pc’s that the kids use

[09:14] Lotta Flux: wb Fire

[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: Did you guys get to check out Fire’s website?
[09:15] Zinnia Zauber:

[09:15] Lotta Flux will after the presentation

[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: It looks really cool! We get a lot of questions about SLOODLE.

[09:15] Chayenn: PY1 emailed twice avatarclassroom since they made their last presentation but no answer

[09:15] Zinnia Zauber: So, I know he will be back soon to share with us.

[09:16] bulaklak: It must be such an exciting time to grow up.

[09:16] Zinnia Zauber: oh, Chayenn, you can remind him.

[09:16] Chayenn: i will

[09:16] Buffy Beale: yay here’s Fire 🙂

[09:16] Lotta Flux: yay! he’s back!

[09:16] Fire Centaur: Hi again!

[09:16] Zinnia Zauber: Welcome Back Fire

[09:16] Lotta Flux: lol Buffy 🙂

[09:16] bulaklak: Welcome back, Fire.

[09:16] Fire Centaur: im real sorry everyone – its funny, sl never troubles me EXCEPT when I have a presentation
[09:16] Fire Centaur: im on a different machine now

[09:17] Zinnia Zauber: Super

[09:18] Chayenn: PY1 was emailing you a few times after your last presentation in NPC concerning your chairs recording surveys
[09:18] Chayenn: but we never got any answer from you

[09:18] Fire Centaur: ok… as I was saying

[09:18] Fire Centaur: the MOODLE philosphy, there are two more points
[09:18] Fire Centaur: 4) A learning environment needs to be flexible and adaptable, so that it can quickly
respond to the needs of the participants within it.

[09:18] Chayenn: We have a sim for HIV education on Jokaydiagrid and we were looking to get your advice to record our surveys

[09:19] Fire Centaur: oh great Chaen
[09:19] Fire Centaur: pls contact me about this – perhaps I can help
[09:19] Fire Centaur: so In sumary,
[09:19] Fire Centaur: All of us are potential teachers as well as learners – in a true collaborative environment
we are both.

We learn particularly well from the act of creating or expressing something for others to

We learn a lot by just observing the activity of our peers.

By understanding the contexts of others, we can teach in a more transformational way

A learning environment needs to be flexible and adaptable, so that it can quickly
respond to the needs of the participants within it.
[09:20] Fire Centaur: so.. SLOODLE
[09:20] Fire Centaur: is…
[09:20] Fire Centaur: The LINK
[09:20] Fire Centaur: between second life and MOODLE
[09:20] Fire Centaur: you probably guess that
[09:20] Fire Centaur: !
[09:20] Fire Centaur: once you have MOODLE installed on yoru server
[09:20] Fire Centaur: SLOODLE is a TOOLBOX of 3d elements that connect to your MOODLE
[09:20] Fire Centaur: it is the 3D extention to your LMS
[09:20] Fire Centaur: so you can do activities in SL

[09:21] Lotta Flux: How cool is that??

[09:21] Fire Centaur: and have them communicate with your LMS

[09:21] Lotta Flux: smiles

[09:21] Tuty Inkpen: Pretty cool

[09:21] Fire Centaur: …

[09:21] Creech Antwerp: Ok, that is really neat

[09:21] Fire Centaur: SLOODLE was started in 2007
[09:21] Fire Centaur: and was origionally pitched to the SLED mailing list
[09:21] Fire Centaur: by jeremy Kemp
[09:22] Fire Centaur: Jeremy Kabumpo from SJSU

[09:22] Creech Antwerp: Does it go in both directions?

[09:22] Fire Centaur: and also by Daniel Livingstone / Buddy Sprocket (UWS) posted the idea on Second Life
Educators mailing list
[09:22] Fire Centaur: yes it does
[09:22] Fire Centaur: creech

[09:22] Creech Antwerp: and are you using the SL API for it?

[09:22] Fire Centaur: basically, using SLOODLE

[09:22] Rhiannon Chatnoir: yay Jeremey & Daniel.. both great guys & educators

[09:22] Fire Centaur: you have a Database attached to SL, with an API
[09:22] Fire Centaur: in 2008,
[09:22] Fire Centaur: the great folks at Eduserve gave us a grant
[09:23] Fire Centaur: for funded development of the idea

[09:23] Glitteractica Cookie: Let’s hold on questions until he end, so we have time to get the key information for the group before Fire’s time runs out
[09:23] Fire Centaur: before that, good ppl were volunteering their time, like Peter Bloomfield and edmund earp

[09:23] Fire Centaur: I was hired as a full time developer in 2009
[09:23] Fire Centaur: then in 2010, i worked independently on the project while in vancouver
[09:24] Fire Centaur: and did projects with educators like Chris Surridge (Devils Island Mystery)
[09:24] Fire Centaur: and other ppl in SL
[09:24] Fire Centaur: in 2010, till present I teamed up with Edmund earp
[09:24] Fire Centaur: to continue devel
[09:24] Fire Centaur: what we found however
[09:24] Fire Centaur: was

[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: Fire, how can people get going on the Avatar Classroom?

[09:24] Fire Centaur: SLOODLE was REALLLY hard to install
[09:24] Fire Centaur: ok sorry for histry lesson!

[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: hehe
[09:24] Zinnia Zauber: We are just so excited!

[09:24] Fire Centaur: ill hurry it up
[09:25] Fire Centaur: ok so to install sloodle
[09:25] Fire Centaur: you needed abunch of skills
[09:25] Fire Centaur: install on your web server
[09:25] Fire Centaur: configuration of tools etc
[09:25] Fire Centaur: it just took too long to set up
[09:25] Fire Centaur: so…
[09:25] Fire Centaur: thats where the avatar classroom came in
[09:25] Fire Centaur: ed and I wanted to build somethign turn key
[09:25] Fire Centaur: with the avatar classroom, you sign up at
[09:26] Fire Centaur: and our server automatically makes a moodle website for you
[09:26] Fire Centaur: and hosts it on our server
[09:26] Fire Centaur: as a subdomain
[09:26] Fire Centaur: etc:
[09:26] Tuty Inkpen: sweet! you solved a problem. awesome.
[09:26] Fire Centaur: and automatically
[09:26] Fire Centaur: installs sloodle module
[09:26] Fire Centaur: AND configures all the tools…
[09:26] Fire Centaur: so…
[09:26] Fire Centaur: what you get in world

[09:26] Lotta Flux: wow!

[09:26] Fire Centaur: is a 3d classroom
[09:27] Fire Centaur: once you rez it

[09:27] Zinnia Zauber: Very cool!

[09:27] Fire Centaur: it has a control panel
[09:27] Fire Centaur: with a shared media surface
[09:27] Fire Centaur: you open it up
[09:27] Fire Centaur: and it has an iphone interface
[09:27] Fire Centaur: (we used iphone webkit)
[09:27] Fire Centaur: to set up scenes
[09:27] Fire Centaur: it comes with four scenes preloaded
[09:27] Fire Centaur: and they are automatically linked to your moodle website
[09:27] Fire Centaur: so… literally in about 5 minutes, you have a complete website with tools for
[09:28] Fire Centaur: 1) quizing
[09:28] Fire Centaur: 2) recording chat inworld
[09:28] Fire Centaur: 3) presentations
[09:28] Fire Centaur: 4) a scoreobard!
[09:28] Fire Centaur: with any currency you choose
[09:28] Fire Centaur: so you can use it for roleplaying if you like
[09:28] Fire Centaur: I made a bunch of visual documentation at
[09:28] Fire Centaur: everyone can sign up for free
[09:28] Fire Centaur: and try it out if you like
[09:29] Fire Centaur: ed and I are doign a 30 day trial for free, so if you want to check out if you like sloodle, you can do it, and we wont have hard feelings if you cancel on day 29
[09:29] Fire Centaur: !!!

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: Great!

[09:29] Fire Centaur: shall I rez one here?

[09:29] Zinnia Zauber: go for it

[09:29] Creech Antwerp: yes please

[09:30] Zinnia Zauber: We will need to start to wrap up, but I think everyone wants to see this.

[09:30] JerryBuchko: definitely

[09:30] Lotta Flux: oh yes!

[09:30] Tuty Inkpen: yes

[09:30] Fire Centaur: every time I try to touch my inventory sl is giving me probs but I will try

[09:31] Lotta Flux: *Fingers Crossed*

[09:31] Creech Antwerp: wow

[09:31] Lotta Flux: very nice

[09:31] Fire Centaur: ok, this is the “shell”

[09:31] Zinnia Zauber: Fun!

[09:31] Fire Centaur: you can see the grey thing
[09:31] Fire Centaur: thats the rezzer
[09:31] Fire Centaur: it has a shared media surface I have to log into
[09:31] Fire Centaur: ine sec
[09:31] Fire Centaur: one sec

[09:31] Ozma Malibu: ah! that is what you meant by scenes. but do people still use their own SL islands?

[09:31] Fire Centaur: yes
[09:32] Fire Centaur: u can make your own scenes and our rezzer saves it
[09:32] Fire Centaur: like a holodec

[09:32] Tuty Inkpen: cool

[09:32] Ozma Malibu: ah

[09:32] Fire Centaur: and you can move thigns around and then save their positions
[09:32] Fire Centaur: ill rezz the first scene
[09:32] Fire Centaur: if i move the shell
[09:33] Fire Centaur: everything moves too
[09:33] Fire Centaur: now ill do the remaining scenes
[09:33] Fire Centaur: the last scene has a pool with sharks
[09:33] Fire Centaur: and quiz chairs
[09:33] Fire Centaur: thats the fun one
[09:33] Fire Centaur: ojk this is the presentation scene

[09:33] Zinnia Zauber: lol

[09:33] Fire Centaur: woa
[09:33] Fire Centaur: its big

[09:33] Buffy Beale: lol this is great

[09:33] Ozma Malibu: so you only have one scene at a time?

[09:33] Fire Centaur: maybe you will need to fly up to it
[09:34] Fire Centaur: oh
[09:34] Fire Centaur: u can rez multiple scenes at once

[09:34] Lotta Flux cams up instead 🙂

[09:34] Zinnia Zauber: This is really great, Fire.

[09:34] Fire Centaur: i have scene 1 and two rezzed

[09:34] Lotta Flux: it is great!

[09:34] Fire Centaur: now I will do the meeting area

[09:34] Creech Antwerp: CRAZY

[09:34] Fire Centaur: and then finaly the quiz scene
[09:34] Fire Centaur: ok
[09:35] Fire Centaur: the fun one is coming now
[09:35] Fire Centaur: quizes with sharks

[09:35] Fire Centaur: ok

[09:35] Lotta Flux: really nice

[09:35] Fire Centaur: do you have time to try the quiz

[09:35] Lotta Flux: and very professional

[09:35] Fire Centaur: if so, please fly up
[09:35] Fire Centaur: and sit on a quiz chair

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: Not right now, but

[09:35] Fire Centaur: oh

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: Please

[09:35] Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah, auto rez/holo deck type functionality is always fun to watch

[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: keep this out
[09:35] Zinnia Zauber: so that way everyone can check it out

[09:35] Fire Centaur: ok will do

[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: We need to move forward

[09:36] Fire Centaur: ok
[09:36] Fire Centaur: np
[09:36] Fire Centaur: basically
[09:36] Fire Centaur: what this is
[09:36] Fire Centaur: is a classroom
[09:36] Fire Centaur: connected to a moodle website
[09:36] Fire Centaur: this one is connected to
[09:36] Fire Centaur: when a student sits on a quiz chair
[09:36] Fire Centaur: they are automatically enrolled in your site
[09:36] Fire Centaur: am I up for time Zinnia
[09:36] Fire Centaur: ?

[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: Sadly
[09:36] Zinnia Zauber: yes

[09:37] Fire Centaur: ok..

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: But, I think we might want to learn more again

[09:37] Fire Centaur: so much information 🙂

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: this is so great

[09:37] Fire Centaur: ok
[09:37] Fire Centaur: sounds graet

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: we might have to ask you back again

[09:37] Fire Centaur: sure!

[09:37] Lotta Flux: Yes, another presentation at an upcoming meeting would be great!

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: what do you guys think?

[09:37] Tuty Inkpen: Thank you, Fire!

[09:37] Fire Centaur: my great honor and pleasure

[09:37] Tuty Inkpen: yes another presentation would be great

[09:37] Ethelred Weatherwax: I hope someone is keeping a chatlog

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: This is very exciting!

[09:37] Creech Antwerp applauds

[09:37] CarynTopia Silvercloud: very useful infor
[09:37] CarynTopia Silvercloud: mation

[09:37] Zinnia Zauber: Fire, thank you for showing us this!

[09:37] Fire Centaur: please check out website for documentationa nd videos

[09:37] Tuty Inkpen: I love this kind of stuff … creative learning.

[09:38] Fire Centaur: you can contact me if u like at

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: Super!

[09:38] Fire Centaur: or

[09:38] Fire Centaur: my twitter is @fire, and @avatarclassroom

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: Please keep the class room up so we can look at it

[09:38] Fire Centaur: sure will zinnia

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: and we are grateful for you to join us.
[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: Maybe you can stay for our Mentors meeting?

[09:38] Buffy Beale: this is really great

[09:38] Fire Centaur: yes sure!

[09:38] Ozma Malibu: So, this is sort of a holodeck but you can have more than one scene at a time?

[09:38] Zinnia Zauber: We would love to have you talk more then.

Open Mic / Announcements

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, so with that, let’s give a call for Open Mic!

[09:39] Fire Centaur: ok sounds great, shall i take a seat now?
[09:39] Fire Centaur: ok

[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: yes, thank you Fire.
[09:39] Zinnia Zauber: Does any one have an announcement?

[09:40] Tuty Inkpen: yes announcement … raising hand

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: Great, Donna.
[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: Go for it.

[09:40] Jenelle Levenque: Raises Hand

[09:40] Zinnia Zauber: gotcha Jen

[09:41] jacmacaire Humby: Raises Hand..

[09:41] Zinnia Zauber: Donna, please share with us.

[09:41] Tuty Inkpen: August Workshop Series with Industry Experts who have partnered with

[09:41] Tuty Inkpen: WAHMs WIN.

[09:41] Mimika Bracula: i have an announsment too

[09:41] Tuty Inkpen: It’s called AVAIL Workshop Series 2012 and you can learn details at
[09:41] Tuty Inkpen: about online business building, for small business owners
[09:42] Tuty Inkpen: It’s designed to support women entrepreneurs who may be struggling to develop their income and grow their businesses.
[09:42] Tuty Inkpen: Thank you.

[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Donna!
[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, Jen!
[09:42] Zinnia Zauber: Go for it!

[09:42] Jenelle Levenque: Would like to introduce Mimika Bracula who is a student from Greece and would like to survey people about their NGOs
[09:42] Jenelle Levenque: This is her first time at NPC

[09:43] Rhiannon Chatnoir waves

[09:43] Ozma Malibu: Hi Mimika

[09:43] Tuty Inkpen: HI Mimika. Definitely would love to chat.

[09:43] Mimika Bracula: My real name is Mimika Panagiotarou (email address my avatar name is Mimika Bracula and I am postgraduate student at University of Aegean . I make a thesis with subject: SL as an instructional learning environment for NGO managers.
[09:45] Mimika Bracula: so i would like to send you some questions

[09:45] Rhiannon Chatnoir: do want people to email you, or do you have a survey online somewhere Mimika?

[09:46] Mimika Bracula: I would prefer to email me because
[09:47] Mimika Bracula: i am not very familliar with this

[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Mimika, maybe you can email me and we can share your survey.
[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Then people can email you if they wish.

[09:48] Creech Antwerp: Setting up a google form as a survey is pretty easy. I could help with that.

[09:48] Jenelle Levenque: Great idea Zinnia

[09:48] Zinnia Zauber: Oh, Creech, thank you for offering to help!

[09:49] Creech Antwerp: Sure, I’ve been remiss for 2.5 years

[09:49] Mimika Bracula: ok Zinnia great and thank you again

[09:49] Zinnia Zauber: Mimika, please contact us.

[09:49] Creech Antwerp: if you you want to take me up on it

[09:49] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you!
[09:49] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, Jac, you are up.

[09:49] jacmacaire Humby: I have 2 questions.. Does someone is going to RIO for the summit? and how to receive an answer from the googlegroup concerning our propositions?

[09:50] Mimika Bracula: thank you all i will contact you

[09:50] Ozma Malibu: (Also Mimika I will send our paper to you.)

[09:51] JerryBuchko: (@Mimika, There’s also some data analysis you can do with the google forms as well that might be helpful for your research)

[09:51] Mimika Bracula: thanks Ozma

[09:51] Buffy Beale: welcome Mimika and Jac not going to Rio but would be nice

[09:52] Ozma Malibu: Right Jac, I wish!

[09:52] jacmacaire Humby: just to know if someone could do a virtual presentation from there..

[09:52] JerryBuchko: afk

[09:52] Tuty Inkpen: afk

[09:52] Mimika Bracula: Jerry i dont have so advanced technical knowledges

[09:53] Zinnia Zauber: crashed…

[09:53] Mimika Bracula: hi buffy

[09:54] Rhiannon Chatnoir: sadly not going to Rio, but I know of a few projects that will be there

[09:54] Glitteractica Cookie: Are we still taking open mic announcements?

[09:54] Zinnia Zauber: Sorry, I crashed there.

[09:54] Ozma Malibu: I think we are still talking with Jac

[09:54] Ozma Malibu: he had a second question

[09:54] jacmacaire Humby: Could you send me some information Rhiannon?
[09:54] jacmacaire Humby:
[09:55] jacmacaire Humby: yes second question??

[09:55] Buffy Beale: wb Z

[09:55] Ozma Malibu: Jac is a tireless volunteer with so much energy

[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: Okay, looks like we might have more discussion to add to the Mentor Meeting with Jac.

[09:55] jacmacaire Humby: no problem zinnia..

[09:55] Zinnia Zauber: Would that be okay, Jac?

[09:56] jacmacaire Humby: second question is and how to receive an answer from the googlegroup concerning our propositions?

[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: Ah, that is a good question.

[09:56] Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes it is a topic that is better suited for starting a discussion during the mentor meeting

[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: I think I might have to learn about that.

[09:56] Creech Antwerp waves goodbye for this week – hopes he will be back next week

[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you Creech!
[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: So, with that!
[09:56] Zinnia Zauber: I want to thank everyone for joining us today!
[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: We will start the Mentors Meeting at 10
[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: And Fire has agreed to stay on

[09:57] Sister Abeyante: Thanks, all/. Great topic.

[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: and share more
[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you everyone and we will see you next week!

[09:57] Ozma Malibu: Congrats on your fist day, Z, you did great!!

[09:57] Buffy Beale: Thanks Z great job

[09:57] Ozma Malibu: first day 🙂

[09:57] In Kenzo: <3

[09:57] jacmacaire Humby: Sorry I have to go.. but don’t hesiate to let me know…

[09:57] Zinnia Zauber: Thank you guys for your help!

[09:57] In Kenzo: adios everyone thank you

[09:58] alebez: Thank you all. Have a great day. Thanks you Fire and Zinnia!

[09:58] Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Z!

[09:58] Mimika Bracula: thanks you all

[09:58] Glitteractica Cookie: thanks

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Written by: Zinnia Zauber

Inside the Avatar Studio: Dick Dillon

Kevin and Dick Dillon (SL: Coughran Mayo) discuss the challenges and benefits on leveraging virtual environments for social outreach within a non-profit environment. His nonprofit Preferred Family Healthcare hosts the weekly Wharf Ratz Tuesday Night Dance Extravaganza to foster community at the Nonprofit Commons at their office on NPC Aloft. There Coughran and Brena are happy to share their nonprofit’s innovative work in virtual worlds.  View the Inside the Avatar Studio show on YouTube.

Written by: Zinnia Zauber